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panhead1948
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Initially Posted - 02/20/2013 : 10:25:05

I am thinking about a spinnaker this year. So before the mast goes up I want to set everything up. I am going to get the masthead crane. What size line for the halyard?

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 11:13:19

Whatever you feel comfortable with, 3/8" or 5/16".

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 11:29:16

We use 5/16" for all of the halyards on the C-25. We're also using 5/16" for the tack line. Both are XLS where our other halyards are XLS Extra (much less stretch).

If you get an asymmetrical spinnaker then read the thread that I posted earlier on how to route the lines to make for quick spinnaker sets.

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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 15:39:11

I could save you some expense. You could buy the sail then hoist it with my spare halyard on Kaija!

I'm assuming an Asym here?

BTW, just paid for A-40 this afternoon. Will launch mid to late April.

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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 15:59:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 Whatever you feel comfortable with, 3/8" or 5/16".
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I agree either size is fine. I use the 3/8" because its easier on my hands hoisting and lowering.....

Chuck

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 16:49:39

Thank you for all the information.Has anyone installed a track and ring for a spinnaker pole. I have a 135 headsail do I need 4ft of track or will 2ft work?

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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 19:17:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 BTW, just paid for A-40 this afternoon. Will launch mid to late April.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If my recollections are valid, that's great news, John! Is this not your first year back after a hiatus due to some "challenges"? (Sorry for the hijack, but this could be big news!)

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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 21:08:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 BTW, just paid for A-40 this afternoon. Will launch mid to late April.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If my recollections are valid, that's great news, John! Is this not your first year back after a hiatus due to some "challenges"? (Sorry for the hijack, but this could be big news!)
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Exactly, Dave.

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Response Posted - 02/21/2013 : 06:35:54

For my cruising spinnaker (with a sock), I use 1/4" line for the halyard to reduce weight aloft.

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Response Posted - 02/21/2013 : 08:18:13

A two foot track is probably sufficient. I believe that I put a four foot track on Sparky. I find it useful as many settings are used due to have several hank on jibs and also have put a 2nd ring on it down low which is handy for jury rigging a reaching strut in very light winds.

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Response Posted - 02/21/2013 : 10:42:54

I too use 1/4" halyard, Asymmetric w/sock. I also have a track, it's at least 4', maybe longer.... I store my whisker pole on it, with a chock at the base of the mast.

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Response Posted - 02/22/2013 : 08:18:00

After posting that I use 3/8" line for my Spinnaker Halyard (symetric chute, no sock)since it was easier on my hands, and then saw several guys using 1/4" line I started thinking I must really be a woosey!!!!!!

But, then I saw the 1/4" tough guys (in my mind) were also using a sock! So their hoists are never subject to the chute starting to fill just before it fully hoisted, and also being lowered while it is still partially filled!

So, I "ammend" my reply to agree with using smaller line than 3/8" if you are using a sock!!!! From a loads standpoint I think 1/4" would work ok, but I am still too much of a woosey to use 1/4" for a halyard. And the weight aloft difference between 1/4" and 5/16" for boats the size of a Cat 25 can't be a "real" factor (in my woosey mind!!<grin>). Plus if I ever needed to use the spinnaker halyard as an emergency jib halyard (which I have had to do), the larger line I would think would be better.....

Cheers!

Chuck

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Response Posted - 02/22/2013 : 10:17:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">But, then I saw the 1/4" tough guys (in my mind) were also using a sock! So their hoists are never subject to the chute starting to fill just before it fully hoisted, and also being lowered while it is still partially filled! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I'll agree with this.....

The excitement doesn't start until you hoist the sock...

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Response Posted - 02/22/2013 : 11:15:31

Yeah, along with using a sock, as a singlehanded, non-racing sailor, I tend to only fly the chute in light to moderate conditions. I leave the heavy weather spinnaker flying to those more capable than I. In heavier air, the genoa is good enough for me.

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Response Posted - 02/22/2013 : 13:55:13

If your spinnaker halliard is wrapped around a winch when you raise the spinnaker, then you can use a 1/4" halliard. If you raise the spinnaker with your bare hands, without the aid of a winch, then a thicker line would be easier on the hands. Everyone I know with a 25' boat uses 1/4" line, and they all run their spinnaker halliard through a turning block at the base of the mast, and then through a sheet stopper to a cabin top winch. When they raise the spinnaker, one crew is at the mast, and he sweats the line, while a second crew is in the cockpit, pulling in the slack with the line wrapped around a winch. Done that way, a 1/4" line isn't uncomfortable for gloved hands, regardless of whether they use a sock. Most of the heavy load is taken up by the sheet stopper and winch.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 02/22/2013 : 14:51:03

On my C-25 we had the main and jib halyards run back, but the spinnaker halyard just went to the mast. We need someone on the foredeck anyway to snap the asym spinnaker hank onto the forestay and to manage the jib while dropping it, so there isn't much reason to run the halyard back to the cockpit. Since the spinnaker is in a sock a 1/4" line would be fine for the halyard and no winch is necessary (I moved the mast winch on this C-25 to the left side of the companionway). I think we ended up with 5/16" because we switched the 1/4" line over to sheets at one point to make them lighter.

I still sail my old C-25 often and have been working the foredeck on recent races. The configuration works well for us.

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