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NautiC25
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Initially Posted - 02/27/2013 : 09:48:34

I originally bought my C25 because I wanted to trailer it around and spend the weekend on the lake. Then, somehow after joining the YC, I slowly got the racing bug. I'm now having a blast and finding that I'm doing very little overnighters anymore and want something a little more "fun" to sail. I can still use the C25 for racing, but it's obviously not built for that and I'd love to have something with a lot more deck and attitude.
How does a Hobie 33 sound?

It's lightning fast, and the retractable keel is the most amazing thing I've ever seen on a big boat. It even weighs less than our C25. Wouldn't be too much trouble to dry store it and launch it on race days. Should this just stay a dream?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 11:09:29

The Hobie 33 is a great choice! By any standard, it's very fast. Last summer I crewed on a fast boat in a PHRF racing fleet on the Chesapeake Bay, and the local Hobie 33 was always at the head of the pack. Moreover, from what I can see, they seem to not only be good in light wind, but they can also stand up well to big wind. If you dry-sailed it, you'd be hard to beat. The Hobie 33s I have raced against were hard to beat. The only negative is that you have to have a good race team to be able to sail one up to it's rating.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 11:25:36

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2478350&checked_boats=2478350&ybw=&units=Feet&currency=USD&access=Public&listing_id=56149&url=&imc=pg-fs

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 11:26:28

Right. Performing to its rating was the only downside I could see. But, this is all in fun for me anyways. The pure joy of having a beautiful fast boat like that is enough.

The C25 is always rated a few seconds behind most of the competition in our club. So it's not difficult to win as long as you can at least keep up with the pack. However, I can also see the flip side in that with a fast enough boat, you'll never have to yeild right of ways, or get bad air.
There's a guy with an Olson 30 that wins quite frequently and I'm betting it's because of that theory. He's always out in front by himself with no obstacles. He also flew by the entire club during a long distance race in virtually zero wind.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 11:29:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2478350&checked_boats=2478350&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=56149&url=&imc=pg-fs
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I saw that yesterday while researching them. That's a killer deal! However, the sail inventory is short. The sails would literally make or break the purchase.

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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 12:17:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 I can also see the flip side in that with a fast enough boat, you'll never have to yeild right of ways, or get bad air.
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That's the key to winning with a really fast boat. The start is crucial. If you can get consistently good starts, you can get clear air all the way, and all the rest of the fast boats will be struggling to get around your wind shadow. The Hobie is nimble enough to be able to maneuver for good starts, it's big enough to create a big wind shadow, and it's fast enough to be able to keep pace with almost any boat that is likely to be on the race course.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 13:15:07

Hobbie 33... I was pretty interested in one of those as well. Since I solo a lot figured I'd be just torturing myself.
Left Coast Dart?
You could always go to a tri as well.

Capri 25, but obviously its not in the same class as an Olson 30, or Hobie 33. Plus as the wind pipes up you want waterline.

My thoughts are that if I were ever to have money (ha, IRS seems intent of keeping me from ever doing that), I'd be torn between ordering a Left Coast Dart, and buying a J/80.

Edited by - shnool on 02/27/2013 13:16:36

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 13:56:11

You might recall our past commodore, Jim Baumgart, being bitten by the same bug... He had gotten into ocean racing (e.g. San Diego to Ensenada) and was tired of arriving after the post-race party was over--not to mention tired of watching the big boats disappear over the horizon... I recall he coveted a H-33, but probably due to budget ended up buying a Pearson Flyer, an older 30' flush-deck, high-aspect racer with spartan accommodations below for longer races and occasional cruising. It rates in the 130-140 range, well above the Hobie (~90s), but that keeps him in the thick of things with similar-sized Js and the like. He named her Sly McFly (after a famous CA restaurant), and has been on Facebook and Youtube under that name. After some serious crew training, he's been pretty competitive, but it takes work and investment (in sails)--the people at that level are serious. And everything costs multiples of what it costs for a C-25.

Having sailed on Jim's C-25 and stayed in touch thereafter, I've followed his quest--a nice vicarious ride... (I haven't heard much recently--hope all is well.)

So go ahead--go for the "90s" and keep the dream alive for all of us!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/27/2013 14:11:32

GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/27/2013 : 18:35:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 I originally bought my C25 because I wanted to trailer it around and spend the weekend on the lake. Then, somehow after joining the YC, I slowly got the racing bug. I'm now having a blast and finding that I'm doing very little overnighters anymore and want something a little more "fun" to sail. I can still use the C25 for racing, but it's obviously not built for that and I'd love to have something with a lot more deck and attitude.
How does a Hobie 33 sound?

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Apparently pretty strong too: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHhg5600Y"]Hobie 33 Crash Test[/url]

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/01/2013 : 05:26:27

That boat has been on the market for quite some time. I'd guess it is just to fast for our little lake. You tack every time you get up to speed.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 03/01/2013 : 06:35:33

Just looking at running rigging on that posting... The boat needs a decent amount of wear and tear upgrades. Everything appears to be there though.

Well, if you DO get it, please keep us posted. Yep, my quest for speed had me look at them a few times. Too pricey and needs crew for me to properly sail... but boy that's not stopping you!

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/01/2013 : 08:59:44

Well, I think financially, I'd have to sell the C25 before purchasing the H33. And I'm afraid that I'll miss the amenities of the C25. It would definitely be more comfortable than the H33. They both look to have the same headroom, which sucks for me being 6'1".

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/01/2013 : 09:13:59

...and I'm guessing the Hobie doesn't have a pop-top. (Hope you do.)

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/01/2013 : 10:52:06

Maybe I'll find a way to keep both. The C25 in the water, and the Hobie in dry storage. My club has a $28 dry storage fee, so in the grand scheme, it's not a factor.

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jimhart
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Response Posted - 03/06/2013 : 10:21:11

There is a good article about retrofitting a Hobie 33 in the December/January 2013 issue of Sailing magazine. It's the magazine with the large format.
sailingmagazine.net.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/06/2013 : 11:03:12

Thanks, found it. http://www.sailingmagazine.net/boats/retrofits/1323-hobie-33

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 03/06/2013 : 11:27:35

The friend who bought my Catalina 25 and I both have the racing bug and still enjoy cruising. In the next few years I expect that he'll sell the C-25, buy into a cruising boat on the sound (perhaps my Pearson 28-2, perhaps a friend's Yankee 30) and we'll buy a 505, Tasar or other racing dinghy to share. Dinghies seem like a much more affordable way to be into racing than an Olson 30 or Hobie 33 (both of which seem awesome and fly past me regularly).

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/06/2013 : 11:51:55

Our club has several Laser's, Sunfish, and Optis to borrow for racing. Currenty, we only have a J22 one design fleet, but I'm really not interested in the J22's other than to test my abilities. That's really not a good enough excuse to buy one. Way overpriced for what it is and I don't care for them.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/06/2013 : 11:54:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 The friend who bought my Catalina 25 and I both have the racing bug and still enjoy cruising. In the next few years I expect that he'll sell the C-25, buy into a cruising boat on the sound (perhaps my Pearson 28-2, perhaps a friend's Yankee 30) and we'll buy a 505, Tasar or other racing dinghy to share. Dinghies seem like a much more affordable way to be into racing than an Olson 30 or Hobie 33 (both of which seem awesome and fly past me regularly).
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">A good way to feed the racing hunger without breaking the budget is to crew on racing boats. Even some of the hottest racing boats and skippers frequently need willing and able crew. One of the best qualifications is that you simply be able to show up for the races. If crew don't show up at all, the boat can't race. If you show up, but are short on racing skills they can teach you what you need to know. Many skippers are looking for crew in the spring (like, right about now). Contact the local clubs that have active racing programs. Get on their lists of available crew. In Annapolis, there will be a crew party soon, hosted by Spinsheet magazine, where crew needing a boat can meet skippers needing crew.

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