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Arlyn Stewart
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Initially Posted - 01/25/2003 : 15:15:47

In hopes of helping a decision about upgrading, here are my observations of the Edson Cable - The cable seems very robust and if the integrity of the jacket hasn't been compromised and there is no indication of adverse amounts of drag, I think the cable is fine. While a few days ago, I accepted the premise that failures were the result of too sharp a turn out of the pedestal and failures occurred from inside out, I saw other things that might shed light.

1. The makeup of the cable requires the integrity of the jacket not be compromised. Within the jacket are longitudinal wires that contain the inner wire. These must be held in tact by the jacket. If the jacket were compromised, the wires could seperate and allow the inner wire to pooch out. The most probable place and the one that has been failing is the outside of the radius coming out of the pedestal.

2. After extracting my cable, multitude pairs of plier marks were noted on the jacket... some of them breaking the jacket. My cable however, had no serious abrasions near the pedestal turn.

I think the improper installation is more the use of the pliers to pull/push the cable than the radius.

If an exam shows abrasions of the jacket near the area of the radius... I'd get concerned... otherwise, I wouldn't sweat it.

If the cable had one more spiral winding outside the longitudnal wires, it would have been indestructable.

For those who replace with the pull pull... I wouldn't grap the jacket with pliers to prod it in place.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
R&R N/E Texas and Great Lakes

[url="http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruisin Stories[/url]

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 18:46:46

Arlyn

Wonder if the cable is the same on the newer pull/pull systems on the c250?

If so, your post is good advice for us as well.

Bryan Beamer
Daylight Again
C250wk #495

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cathluk
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 17:05:45

Arlyn -

Are you making the upgrade or keeping the push-pull?

Cathy
"Blown Away"
'97 C250WK #253

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 18:33:21

Cathy, I've gone to an open wire steering system...

http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/steeringcable.html

Bryan, Someone reported that the cables were not the same.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
R&R N/E Texas and Great Lakes

[url="http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruisin Stories[/url]

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Jack Schafer
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 17:29:58

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In hopes of helping a decision about upgrading, here are my observations of the Edson Cable - The cable seems very robust and if the integrity of the jacket hasn't been compromised and there is no indication of adverse amounts of drag, I think the cable is fine. While a few days ago, I accepted the premise that failures were the result of too sharp a turn out of the pedestal and failures occurred from inside out, I saw other things that might shed light.

1. The makeup of the cable requires the integrity of the jacket not be compromised. Within the jacket are longitudinal wires that contain the inner wire. These must be held in tact by the jacket. If the jacket were compromised, the wires could seperate and allow the inner wire to pooch out. The most probable place and the one that has been failing is the outside of the radius coming out of the pedestal.

2. After extracting my cable, multitude pairs of plier marks were noted on the jacket... some of them breaking the jacket. My cable however, had no serious abrasions near the pedestal turn.

I think the improper installation is more the use of the pliers to pull/push the cable than the radius.

If an exam shows abrasions of the jacket near the area of the radius... I'd get concerned... otherwise, I wouldn't sweat it.

If the cable had one more spiral winding outside the longitudnal wires, it would have been indestructable.

For those who replace with the pull pull... I wouldn't grap the jacket with pliers to prod it in place.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
R&R N/E Texas and Great Lakes

[url="http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruisin Stories[/url]

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Jack Schafer
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 17:46:54

[I guess you can tell I'm A newbie!
I sent an e-mail to Arlyn,but I thought I'd let others know how I upgraded my Push-pull System. I contacted one of the sailors that has upgraded his system and purchased his old parts,chain connector.cable,and cable supports. I installed them on the opposite side of the steering column by removing 4 links of the chain and reattaching the new connector.The column is predrilled to accept the cable(like it was originally planned to work that way). Ran the new cable around the port side and attached the transum support bracket to the stern just below the ladder through bolts, and attached the two yokes to the tiller bar with a 4" bolt!
It really seems to be tight,no slip at all. can't wait to get it in the water,soon as the iceboats get off!
Jack Schafer, 2nd wind #106

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