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davidbloodworth
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Response Posted - 04/02/2013 : 21:12:21

I take back the need for the keel system got your pictures large enough to see that is taken care of.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/03/2013 : 16:31:10

If I were going to buy an early C25 that would be the one. It looks great.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 08:23:01

I'm 6'4. My pop-top is almost constantly up.

When I'm at the dock or at anchor, it is always up. When I'm motoring, it's up.

I frequently sail with it up as well. It's nice to get the sails balanced, the Tiller Tamer set just right...and I can stand in the cabin just behind the mast, and steer by leaning/moving from one side of the boat to the other. All while enjoying a nice covered space. The Texas sun can be brutal.

When the winds are up and the sailing is a bit more challenging, and I need a vang, the top is down and latched. That's about the only time it's down when I'm aboard.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 08:25:55

BTW, I'd definitely take a look at that boat. A new 9.8 is $2500. A nice trailer will run you around $2000.

Do the math on that asking price. If that's a nice new(ish) motor and great trailer, you're getting the boat free.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 08:34:02

I don't think that is a 2 year old motor (I also think it may have a 20" shaft, not the recommended 25"). My Catalina 25 had a 2 year old Nissan and the graphics looked like this:
http://www.onlineoutboards.com/images/outboards/Nissan-9-8-hp-large.jpg

That matters because the newer ones that are sold for sailboats come with a larger and higher thrust prop that is well matched for sailboat weight. The older ones did not.

The gelcoat looks very good and well cared for. I like that interior layout the best and like that it has a hanging locker instead of a sink for the head. A real head (instead of a porta-potty) would be nicer.

If the rigging has been as well maintained as the gelcoat then it looks like a nice deal, even if the motor is a little older.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 09:16:13

A "real head" is good if you have a real pumpout station--otherwise a porta-potti, especially a 5+ gallon version, works well. (Ours did.)

A "free boat" isn't free if you can't sell it at any price. It appears highly unlikely in this case, but try to imagine how you'd get rid of a 25' hunk of 3/4" fiberglass and a 1900 lb. slab of cast iron. (Maybe make it into a covered hot-tub?) A few people have "parted out" damaged C-25s through this site--I haven't heard what they finally did with the hulk once everything of value was gone. (Maybe they haven't figured that part out yet!)

One more reason for a survey...

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 09:43:23

I tried to get a survey but the closest surveyor was over 150 miles away and the cost was almost 1/4 the boat price.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 09:47:28

Awetmore, how long is the shaft on the Nissan in your link? It appears shorter than the one hanging on the boat (I am limited with what I can do through my phone). One thing I did notice is the wedge shaped piece of wood under the mount. I wonder if that should raise a red flag?

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 10:13:09

The one in my link was just to show the modern graphics. That looks like a 15" shaft.

This is my Catalina 25, which has a 25" shaft:

It doesn't show the graphics very well.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 13:09:36

My guess is, that outboard has a 20" shaft. However, the bracket that it's mounted on does not look like a stock bracket. It looks like it might drop the outboard lower into the water. Which would not be a good thing if you were sailing in the ocean. It might be an OK option for a lake without significant waves though.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 13:34:42

In the up position the prop is sitting at or just below the LWL. Would that be the proper location without the wedge?

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 13:41:58

When my outboard is lifted on the bracket, but not tilted, the prop is a little more than half way out of the water.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 14:03:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 When my outboard is lifted on the bracket, but not tilted, the prop is a little more than half way out of the water.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Uh oh.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 14:40:40

Is there somebody that could provide me with some measurements that I could compare this out board with?

We're traveling to look at it tomorrow.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 15:05:54

What measurements do you want? I just got home, so I can take measurements of whatever you want.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 15:10:23

Not sure, Davy. Maybe from the cradle portion of the mount to the bottom-most tip under the prop? Is yours a Nissan? If so, anything that might help me determine the shaft length.

Thank you!

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 15:40:51

Nissan 9.8hp, Mercury 9.8hp and Tohatsu 9.8hp are all made by Tohatsu. So the measurements should be very similar.

I measured from the top of the bracket, to the prop shaft, and the total length is 32". Not sure if that's what you want, but I can take any others if you need.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 15:48:07

I don't know what I need but I'll run with whatever I get. Thanks again!

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 18:39:21

(I wish that huge photo wasn't screwing up this thread.)

If the plate above the prop is more than 25" below the top of the bracket mounting plate, it's an extra-long. If less, it's not. Most XL (25") shafts measure about 27.5" from the top of the clamp to the plate--25" means the recommended transom height for a powerboat.

On most C-25s with XL outboards, the anti-ventilation plate above the prop is 4-6" below the true waterline at rest. Deeper is better. (True waterline should be visible on the bottom paint.) If you lower that bracket and tilt the engine down, you want to see roughly that relationship. It's also nice if, with the bracket up, you can tilt the motor so the skeg is out of the water--something you should also be able to sight in on the hard.

Every bracket model has different levels up and down, and the one on that boat is different from most of ours. (It may be an OMC with a gas assist strut instead of springs.)

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 18:48:14

Thank you!

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/04/2013 : 19:31:52

This tells you how to measure exactly:
http://onlineoutboards.com/Help.html?Question=Shaft-Length

My old Catalina 25 had a lowered mount (perhaps from the previous Johnson engine). It's not a big deal, it gives you a useful range. It is raised enough to (just) get the prop out of the water in all conditions, and low enough that you can really put the motor down low if you want.

We usually sail with it one notch from the lowest setting.

Based on a little searching it looks like that outboard is 2005 or older. That's still fine, it just isn't 2 years old.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/05/2013 : 03:09:23

Thanks, again!
I'm feeling better prepared to inspect his boat.
There's something about the excitement of the hunt that I love but at the same time keeping my wits about it. Reminds me when I was heading to southern iowa to investigate a barn full of Shelbys a friend had heard of!

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/05/2013 : 19:40:46

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beingabrian
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Response Posted - 04/06/2013 : 07:13:27

I'm 6ft, a day sailor and would not have it any other way than to have a pop top on my 84' 25. When you're stopped, or at the dock it increases the airflow tremendously and makes it so much easier to move around and entertain. I have my lines running to the cockpit on the starboard side of the poptop and everything works great.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/06/2013 : 08:55:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 (I wish that huge photo wasn't screwing up this thread.)

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I'm very careful about my photo sizes. In this case I used the smallest size that would allow Kper to count the sections on the outboard shaft. I looked at a few photos of that boat to pick the best one.

It's too bad that the forum software doesn't word wrap text shorter even if a photo makes one part of the page wide.

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