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Kper
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Initially Posted - 04/10/2013 : 03:18:22

Is there a way to change the top and bottom stripes with satisfactory results? It is a seamless transition at the edge so I'm assuming its the factory stripe in the gel coat, if i know what I'm talking about. The Mrs would love to have something other than 70's burnt orange. I considered vinyl over the stripe but was hoping there was a more common and longer lasting method.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 03:35:38

Paint... 2 part or 1 part... Brightsides is cheap, Perfection is a 2 part that is a little more durable as is Awlgrip.

If you go that route, brush it on.

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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 04:28:06

we painted as well. Prior to painting, I had to scrape off the previous paint that was covering a 70's red to orange rainbow vinyl covering the original (almost pink) faded color

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 04:51:10

Even though there is remnants of the original name on the side, I'd rather not paint the entire hull. Can I successfully mask and paint over the stripes? I'd prefer the best product available to have the best possible results.

Spray, roll or brush? Can I mask and roll and get a smooth finish? Will I be stuck with constant maintenance to keep a shine once painted?

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shnool
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 05:34:17

Brightsides, and Perfection have a self-leveling quality to them. Rolling and tipping will work nicely, sanding between coats. HOWEVER, you must not try to put on the paint/urethane too thick... the self-leveling will sag if you do (ask me how I know):

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He IS correct though, the factory gelcoated in some of the stripes, I had that on my 22 and just assumed they were all that way (that boat cleaned up REAL nice)... But my present boat the Capri 25, was painted years ago, and the gelcoat seemed to be thinner (and was in worse shape).

Yes you can easily mask and paint the stripes... If you are going with a basic color stripe, there is even a product called "Brightside boottop, striping enamel" http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/diy/products/finishes/brightside-boottop-and-striping-enamel.aspx

Again I will warn you, take your time, make several coats... do light coats, wetsand with 600 grit between, steel wool it... Mask with Frogtape or blue mask 3M stuff, and the edges will come out real nice.

Now if I will only follow my own advice, and finish my boat on time...

PS: The bootstripe comes AFTER I am finished painting the whole topsides.. ugh. 3 weeks left!

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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 11:52:25

How would you feel if the stripes looked like new? Would you still want to change the color? Poly Glow will bring the stripes back.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 13:15:20

Frank, it's not so much the condition (good condition) it's all about the color. I'd sail with it like it is but she would like to see something different... sadly.

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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 17:07:45

Most here will agree that painting is a last resort and if your gelcoat is in decent shape you should leave it alone. Show her boats on line with the same color and let her see the canvas that can be made to match it. Is she aware of bimini colors, dodger colors, mainsail cover colors, Headsail sunproofing colors? If you have decent gelcoat learn to embrace it.

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 17:45:51

That's the kind of stuff I want to hear. If the majority said don't do it then I'd be inclined to wait. There are two bad spots on the LWL and I figured if it could be painted I might as well change colors but I don't want to compromise anything.

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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 19:19:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 How would you feel if the stripes looked like new? Would you still want to change the color? Poly Glow will bring the stripes back.
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I've used PolyGlow, but not on my C250. If your boot stripe is chalky or milky, PolyGlow will make give it a milky shine, so you need to make sure the boot stripe is restored BEFORE topcoating with anything (PolyGlow or wax).

My boot stripe was milky colored when I bought the boat. A year ago I fully restored it to its original appearance by wet sanding with 2000 grit, then polishing with Presta Ultra Cutting Creme. At this point, it's the user's choice how to seal of the restored stripe. You could use PolyGlow, or you could use wax. For my C250 I chose Collinite Fleet Paste Wax.

As someone who has used PolyGlow on a couple of my older boats, I'd strongly advise first trying to remove oxidation with a good, hard mechanical polishing step (with wet sanding first, if needed). I'd only use PolyGlow if there's no gelcoat left and polishing would take you down to the bare fiber mat.

I realize that the OP wants to change color, so this is not really relevant to his original question. But the thread has drifted to stripe restoration, so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth.

Edited by - TakeFive on 04/11/2013 03:17:57

davidbloodworth
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Response Posted - 04/10/2013 : 20:11:20

I completely redid an 18' Interlake dinghy and painted the hull and topside. I used 2 part perfection and some of it I am really proud of and some not because it sags/runs very easily even when not thinned. I am very happy with it's toughness. It cannot be spayed unless you have the proper breathing equipment. Got mine from Jamestown Distributors.
It is rather expensive.

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 04/11/2013 : 07:18:10

Go to your local advertising company that sells self-adhesive signs and let them cut you the width you want (from some good UV-resistant material).

I did it on mine and they cut me 8m long tapes. Holds perfectly.

Just a tip, make yourself a spray bottle with a water and a little of dish detergent and spray it under the self-adhesive tape. Then squeeze the water and bubbles out with a credit card. Don't worry, water will dry out and will not peel off. They do it the same way on big surfaces

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Response Posted - 04/11/2013 : 09:23:39

I thought about the vinyl but the LWL stripe is so wide, 3-4", I was afraid it may not lay flat with the curve of the hull.

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 04/11/2013 : 11:16:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kper
 I thought about the vinyl but the LWL stripe is so wide, 3-4", I was afraid it may not lay flat with the curve of the hull.
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Well... the stern part is tricky but you can heat it up a little bit with the hair dryer. My stripe is 8cm wide.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 04/11/2013 : 11:42:27

The boot stripe should not be a straight line... so a tape, should not work, unless I am missing something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pw3VOs3wLg

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Kper
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Response Posted - 04/11/2013 : 12:37:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 The boot stripe should not be a straight line... so a tape, should not work, unless I am missing something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pw3VOs3wLg
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That makes sense.
I worry a bit about orange showing through any scratches which seems more likely at the rub rail. Maybe painting over the existing boot stripe and vinyl below the rub rail.

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