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Initially Posted - 05/01/2013 : 09:31:12

I got in the water yesterday! I was the first in at our club, much to the dismay of our dockmaster (whose own boat is sitting waiting for bottom paint).

Empty to the left...

empty to the right:

Boat in! Mast up.

Mainsail up:

Some commentary about my upgrades over the winter.
New cleats on the cabintop - stellar (Harken 150s).
New cleats on the boom - clamcleat brand (work great, actually grip too well).
I replaced the bushings on the rudder.. WOW (initially I thought the rudder was stiff, um NO, the rudder has no play now, that was EXACTLY what I wanted).
New sails - (holy WOW what a difference, the loose foot main is just silly smart).

My strap launching went nicely (some tweaking necessary, but nothing earth shattering, mostly my dolly wheels twisted some, so my mount needs to be heavier, no big deal though).

The mast raising system worked nicely... Again, I need to beef up the hardware, but it all worked nicely.

I really expected to have ALL KINDS of technical issues, and honestly I had NONE.

Heck, the biggest problem I had was a blown fuse on my stereo/VHF... which I promptly replaced.

The depth sounder, stereo, even the temperature sensors on the depth sounder worked great (water is a cold 52 at the surface, and it was 63 degrees outside).

About the only things giving me grief was the outboard wouldn't low idle for some reason (bad gas?)... and the knotmeter won't read over 4 knots (got some paint on the wheel, so it might be that). the knotmeter did this before, so it might just need use.

I made so many improvements/changes to this boat, that it truly feels like a different boat (including my traveler which works great now with a continuous line, and is VERY smooth).

I hate my topping lift (when I use it, it's fine)... but while sailing, the line aloft bugs me. I'd like to do away with it. Considering a boom kicker or a rigid vang, and tending towards a rigid vang.

My question for you trailer guys, with either of the above, what/how do you deal with the bracket when you raise/lower your mast? It seems like a substantial piece of hardware at the base of the mast. Do you remove it each time you drop the mast? If so how do you deal with screws stripping out the holes.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/01/2013 : 17:02:06

Very nice. Glad things went smoothly for you. Do you have any pictures when you were strap launching?

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Capri-25 Editor
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Response Posted - 05/01/2013 : 17:08:12

sorry Gary, basically I only have 2 shots of the truck with straps attached. mostly because I was wasting the dock masters time while he played safety backup to my self launch.

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Response Posted - 05/02/2013 : 09:08:14

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Capri-25 Editor</i>
<br />I got in the water yesterday! I was the first in at our club, much to the dismay of our dockmaster (whose own boat is sitting waiting for bottom paint).

Empty to the left...

empty to the right:

Boat in! Mast up.

Mainsail up:

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russvf
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Response Posted - 05/02/2013 : 09:11:30

Congradulations on getting back in the swim/water. Some of us are interested in your rudder bushiongs ? Do you have part number and source?

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Response Posted - 05/03/2013 : 03:56:58

Russ:
You got it.
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1145
If you go to catalinadirect.com and type in search CP-25 you can find all the Capri specific parts they have on hand. I am told that if you need something for the Capri 25, you might be able to call them, they have other stuff.

What you have to keep in mind, is Catalina re-used a lot of parts from other boats, to build the Capri 25. So the trick is to figure out what parts will cross-substitute.

If I may, I had a great sail last night, the rudder is "stiff." It's got a tendency to stay where I put it now, but not overly so. Hard to describe, but it may also be I finally have decent sails, trim, and bottom... that the boat tends to trim better. Balance is better than it ever has been on the boat. But either way, there is no rudder slop now. Great sail.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2013 : 08:33:53

I have used a boom kicker on a Capri 25, works well, it will lift the boom in light air for a better mainsail shape. Also had one on a san juan 34 and again it worked well. I now have another Capri 25 and the first thing I bought was a boom kicker. If you are serious about a rigid vang, I am getting rid of one.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2013 : 09:55:59

Dick, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Boom kicker versus rigid vang. MOST of our series is in light air and I'm on the fence as to which way to go, all I know is the topping lift drives me nuts (although I do know that it'll help with light air shape as well).

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Response Posted - 05/06/2013 : 19:06:59

The boomkicker attachment to the mast is a slug which goes in the sail track and tightens with a couple screws. It is minimal and unobtrusive. I don't think it would interfere with raising the mast. To remove it you lift the boom and take the kicker out of the boom fitting, pull the pin at the base of the mast. You also use your existing vane tackle. The rigid vang which came on the boat which I have now(hull #50) has quite a large fitting on the mast attached with about 6 screws except it is not on the mast at present so I assume it had to be removed to take the mast down. The whole arrangement is quite heavy, I'd guess about 5 times the weight of the boomkicker. By the way, I don't own any stock in Seoladair LTD. I just think it is a great product, uncomplicated and does its job admirably.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2013 : 12:59:46

You still selling the rigid vang?

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abraxis
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Response Posted - 09/21/2013 : 05:57:47

As to the topping lift, I remove mine after sail is raised and attach it to keeper line I attached to stern rail. Works very well. Just remember to re-attach before lowering main. I've done this to my Ranger 33 and
Hunter Legend 37, all with good results.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2013 : 06:12:29

Regarding rudder post,(meant to add to topping lift info).
Mine was very sloppy! Had it re-resined by very competent repair guy,3 years ago. Just like new and a much easier fix. Go back into the archives for this fix. Follow instructions to the letter, you do not want rudder post permanitly set in ONE position !

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