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shnool
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Initially Posted - 05/03/2013 : 07:24:03

I've read that the Cat-22 had 15/16" T-track for the genoa cars... does the Capri 25 have that?

I think standard is 1" and is what I am using on my outboard track (and it works), but the 1" cars I am using (were for my Capri 22) don't fit right in the inboard Genoa tracks. Is it because the tracks are this 15/16" ?

Maybe this will help, the picture shows the outboard gen-track being used for my NEW car... the old racheting car (for the spin) is on the spin track, and because the car is thin, fits inboard but my new ones don't (you can see why when you look at how narrow the channel the track sits in on the hull).

Oh more information (as always)... here's my thinking buy either this:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=360

or buy this.
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=33

C&C 32 Smith Mountain Lake Virginia

Edited by - shnool on 05/03/2013 07:26:39

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Response Posted - 05/03/2013 : 08:47:24

That's interesting.
My Capri hull 433 from 1984 does not have that intermediate track between the rail and the cockpit.
What sail do you use that track with?

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shnool
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Response Posted - 05/03/2013 : 09:13:53

I can't get my real genoa cars on right track... so I've been using it for the 155. Of course to get the right angle I've been putting my rachet blocks on the inboard just because I can't get the normal cars no it.

Hence the question. I mean I'll get the 1" one with the thin steel car if it's the right one.

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Response Posted - 05/05/2013 : 04:42:32

John, The middle track is an add on modification. The inboard track is 1" and I believe that I'm running a 1" Garhauer low lead car very similar to the one you have in the picture. I don't remember how I got the car on the inboard track, but I'm pretty sure that I did not take it apart to install it. The Capri Skipper in our Marina, that knows what he is doing, also made the "middle" track mod and he uses that middle track for his 155. I'll be headed out to Kami this Saturday, so let me know if need to figure out how I got the car on that inboard track.

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Response Posted - 05/05/2013 : 13:26:08

the issue isn't as much getting it on, but able to move once on... but if 1 inch I suppose I can get the stainless one.

But better question is, why the middle track for the 155! instead of the inboard.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2013 : 04:50:16

I think you just knocked some webs from my memory bank. I think I ground the bottom of the cars down in order to get clearance enough to move. Additional track possibly put in for a different cut of 155. I know our guy uses Pineapple and this additional track for his 155.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2013 : 06:33:55

Fleet GREAT info, that's what I was thinking of doing... however, this car looks like it might fit without modification. Notice the car is thinner?

as opposed to this one that I own:

I think I'll give Harry at EP sails an email, and ask him what he thinks on shape as to which track to use. Would also love to hear from the WYC guys as to why the extra track and in what cases to use it. I mean I used the middle track all last season with my tired old 155, but was told that the innermost track was a better choice (makes sense to me for more shape and to bring the genoa inboard more).

I'd go as far as saying, middle track for less than 8 knots, and innermost for 8-15knots wind.... Then allow twist off as needed to depower. But I am just stabbing at this.

Edited by - shnool on 05/06/2013 06:39:08

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Response Posted - 05/09/2013 : 10:30:55

I posed this question to Harry, and I think I got it mostly right (wow finally something I did right)...

From Harry: "You have it exactly right, the inboard track is the normal sheeting for the 155%, the outer track is rarely used and most boats have taken it off. It can be used in heavy air when you can't change sails or maybe in really rough water where you need more power to get through the waves."

Ok, so I need to get the proper car to fit that inboard track, and I should be golden. My goal is to have cars in place for the 130 or the 155... so I don't have to move the same ones around. This would mean that if I need to I can move the cars from the forward tracks to the middle tracks if I get stuck in a race and the winds pipe up on me (that'd be the only reason I can think of to use those tracks on my inland lake).

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Response Posted - 05/09/2013 : 19:05:50

OK, I am convinced.. use the inboard tracks...

Finally got a chance to use the new 155... all I can say is WOW... OK, granted I've never had had decent new sails to play with, so this is a new experience...

Great sunset...

Every type of weather tonight.

Edited by - shnool on 05/09/2013 19:08:21

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Response Posted - 05/25/2013 : 19:34:22

Ok, the 1" ones fit well.
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Response Posted - 06/03/2013 : 01:21:59

I need replacement genoa cars. Wondering how the Garhauer is working on your boat. The original cars has crack and worn sheaves. It looks like you purchases the model 25-40us car. If so please advise. Also are you selling your extra low lead cars.

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Response Posted - 06/03/2013 : 04:22:29

The low ones I leave forward for my 130. I have to mark my tracks but the thinking is that I'll always have the cars where I need them... so no I am not selling them.

But this is the one I purchased. I could not find them this cheap anywhere else (although I didn't look real hard).
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=398

The spring loaded ones have the advantage of handling cross-sheeting better, but they also sit higher, so you may have to examine your sheeting angles (move the cars a bit)...

The low lead ones seem to be more robust... but other than that.
Here's where I got the low lead ones:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=379

Yeah I am not real creative with where I purchase things.

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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 00:29:43

I am really curious how your Garhauer genoa cars are working. I may have made the mistake of ordering to large of a car. I ordered the 30-40us. It stands really tall. I am worried about the jib sheet line angles. I may try to return and order the low lead cars in exchange. Also the spring pops out of the top seating bushing when hyperflexed similiar to angles and loads while sailing. Hope Garhauer is a good to work with as prior posts. What size cars did you order, model number, etc? Thanks

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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 04:00:30

Ron, the low lead cars MIGHT work for you, however, if you look how they are built, they may need some "modification" if you have the recessed track like me. So far I've been quite happy with the spring loaded one that I got... the advantage of the spring loaded one is I can directly sheet single handled to the windward winch. This is ONLY helpful while single handing.

You could try the LLC-25US
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=35

I think the 25-40 US is the one I have (the smallest of the line)... and so far it seems fine. The spring mechanism sits maybe 1 inch higher than a low lead car.
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=28

Sorry this is the best picture I have of the car, and it's under a reach, so of little help...
http://www.shnool.com/images/capri25/06092013/964406_10152932949260457_405507458_o.jpg

I use my stand-up cars for my #1 Genoa, and my low lead cars for my #2 130... I've only been out in 14-16mph winds using the stand-up cars because of this... but again, so far it seems plenty strong enough.

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Response Posted - 06/12/2013 : 04:05:48

Thanks for input. Ordered the next size up 30-40us from Garhauer. Wow are they tall. Called them and they are willing to do refund or exchange, no questions asked. What a great company. I assume the picture is the 25-40us. What model low lead car. I have a furling gib so never change type of car, just setting. Ron

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Response Posted - 06/12/2013 : 04:51:24

I am betting this low lead car would work:
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=35
LLC-25US

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