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jimboryd
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Initially Posted - 06/08/2013 : 18:28:11

Just thought I would say hello to everyone! I just purchased a '77 C 25, tall rig, fin keel, dinette model, pop-top #CYK0054M778, and will need to make a few (or a lot) of repairs to it and learn how to sail but hopefully it will be worth it.

First of many questions: A PO moved the traveler to right in front of the companionway opening. I'm concerned someone (probably me) will trip over this either going in or out of the cabin. I was thinking of moving it back to its original location if I can find the parts. Good idea or is there a better place for it? Thanks!

Jim R
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 06/08/2013 : 19:02:59

Welcome Jim. You'll find a lot of helpful information and people here.

I'd leave the traveler alone for now. The traveler on the 250 is right in front of the companionway and really isn't a huge problem. Learn more about sailing the boat first.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 06/08/2013 : 20:11:01

Agreed! Many other kinds of boats have it there... and the only better place would be the cabintop where most C-25s have a pop-top that makes that a major engineering feat. The original position is also problematic--it makes sitting in the aft area of the cockpit somewhat uncomfortable when tacking. You might find that stepping over yours is not much more troublesome than stepping over the sill of the companionway... but give it a chance before you put time and effort into it.

Welcome to the association--possibly the best sailing community on the web! What's your plan to learn sailing?

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jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/08/2013 : 20:40:00

Thanks for the advice. I haven't tripped over it yet, but then the boat is still on the hard and the mast is down.

Now that the deal went through (and I own the boat) I'm planning to take a sailing course, probably one that is American Sailing Assoc. certified, that are offered fairly near to me IF the weather ever becomes cooperative (an abundance of rain this year!) I'll spend this year and probably next season too on our local stretch of the upper Mississippi River trying to gain knowledge, skill and confidence but we hope to eventually get a trailer for it and perhaps brave the Great Lakes with it. One reason I bought this is because I was told they are fairly easy to single-hand, as the "Admiral" would prefer to just sit, relax, and take all the credit for whatever goes right.

I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions over the next few months, so thanks in advance for all your future patience! My next issue is how to remove my email address from my user name (default setting I was given when I registered.)

- Jim R.

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Response Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:06:41

Definite Welcome Aboard! Structurally, for the boom,it is better for the sheet to go from boomend to a stern traveler. To be a functional traveler, it is better where the PO moved it. Mine is original, but I wouldn't worry about it. She is a very forgiving boat and very easy to single hand. That said, tacking is smoother and easier with an extra set of hands. When I'm not single handing, I give the Admiral enough advance warning to let her find a good stopping point and put her book away before the tack.

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iwillnotsubmit
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Response Posted - 06/09/2013 : 08:14:33

Welcome Jim, What part of the Mississippi River do you plan on sailing? I'm on pool 26, up river from Alton, IL and just down from the confluence of the Illinois River and Miss. The flooding this year has really cut down on my sailing season, but I was able to go out a few times. I find that sailing by myself is sometimes easier than having a cockpit full of non-sailors, but I also like the company. Good luck with the new boat. Rob

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Response Posted - 06/09/2013 : 11:55:29

Ya Jim, you don't want your e-mail address for a user name. For one thing, it's easy for spammers to "harvest." I'd e-mail our webmaster, [url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/officers.asp"]Paul Alcock[/url], to see if he can change it for you (or remove it so you can start over).

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jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/09/2013 : 14:25:05

@Stinkpotter - thanks, taken care of. @iwillnot... I have a slip at a private marina (don't know if I'll get to use it this season) on Lake Pepin (Miss. River pool 4) - several locks & dams north of your area. To everyone else so far, thanks for the advice and the welcome!

For grins and giggles, can anyone tell me what the last part of my # means besides 1977 (CTYK 0054 M778)? Thanks.

I have also downloaded the .pdf Owners Man. & Parts documents (Thank You to whoever posted these!) and I have a few factory schematics that came with my boat if anyone is interested (they aren't in the .pdf's above) so I'll scan them and email them to whoever handles the techy/manuals info if desired.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 06/09/2013 : 14:52:58

Scan them to me you have my email address

Paul

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OJ
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Response Posted - 06/09/2013 : 18:48:23

After a year of collecting various parts, we will be relocating the traveler forward (just in front of the companionway) this summer. We're leaving all of the original hardware in place.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 06/09/2013 : 20:01:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jimboryd
 For grins and giggles, can anyone tell me what the last part of my # means besides 1977 (CTYK 0054 M778)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Model-year format, 1977 model, came out of the mold in September (B--not 8, I suspect). I'm wondering if that's Sept. 1976--maybe Chuck, our owner of Hull #1 can chime in.

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jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/10/2013 : 06:48:52

Thanks again! @Paul - I emailed what I have to you. I should have mentioned that the pages are old (yellowed) and appear to have gotten wet at least once. Hopefully whoever is interested can read them. Also, since I had it, I scanned the parts list and owner's manual for the 2-burner Princess & oven, which have been removed from my boat by a PO so don't know why they left the papers. Anyway, enjoy!

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 06/10/2013 : 14:30:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Model-year format, 1977 model, came out of the mold in September (B--not 8, I suspect). I'm wondering if that's Sept. 1976--maybe Chuck, our owner of Hull #1 can chime in.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

My title erroneously had a "8" listed when it should have been a "B". When I tried to get insurance on it from BoatUS they would only insure it as a 1988 model as that is what the HIN deciphered to. They changed the format sometime between 1978 and 1988. It took me over a year and contacting Catalina Yachts, the USCG, Oceanside Police and the CA DMV to get it corrected. The letter I got from Catalina Yachts turned out to be the most helpful document but I still had to have the boat HIN inspected by the USCG and police to satisfy the DMV. I filled the "8" in with Marine Tex and etched a new "B" in its place. I now officially have a "78" model boat.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 06/10/2013 : 16:05:59

This month's Practical Sailor has an awesome article about replacing your mainsheet with new blocks. They review all the main brands and the reviews are quite candid as you'd expect.

They also mention the great debate about mid-boom sheeting vs end-boom sheeting.

Cruisers love mid-boom rigging because of the convenience and(generally) the spars don't undergo extreme forces and conditions, while racers prefer end-boom as they put the equipment through its paces.

The thinking is that tubular aluminum doesn't do well with the stresses applied to the outside of the tube mid-way along (vs the end), and mid-boom can distort the spar at the attachment point.

Often, with 4:1 rigs, you'll see two single blocks attached to the boom a few inches away from one-another for this very reason - to spread out the load.

I've had different boats, each with mid or end arrangements, and my presonal preference is end-boom, for what it's worth.

Edited by - Voyager on 06/10/2013 16:08:56

jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 05:08:06

I've gone through most (or all) of the old threads on trailers and I'm still a bit confused. My situation: My 'new' boat is at the marina where I bought it about 40 miles away from my house. Apparently, after reading through a lot of older threads on here, it is going to need a LOT of work before I feel it is ready to get wet. Rather than drive all that way and try to fix things there, I'd like to bring it to my house where I'll have access to electricity, my tools, etc. My proposed tow vehicle is my Ford Expedition (5.4L 4wd). The sticker on the vehicle and the owner's man. gives me a GCWR of 14,500 lbs and a max trailer weight of 8,650. (It has the optional trailer tow pkg.) With a weight dist. hitch, the OM says I can go up to 8,950 lbs. As others have stated, finding a good used trailer is on par with winning the lottery. I checked prices on ordering a new trailer (about $6k + shipping) but the guy at the marina just laughed and told me to buy a used flatbed trailer and he'll pick up the whole thing (boat and steel cradle) and set it on the trailer, then I just have to bolt the cradle to the trailer, strap the boat down, and call it good. I haven't found any used flatbed trailers either, but a brand new one (18' deck with 6k axles) is only $4k at a trailer place within easy driving distance. Has anyone else done this? (Used a flatbed trailer and cradle to move their boat?) My city ordinance says that as long as it is 3' from any property line (treated like a building) I can have it at my house as long as need be. Thoughts on this? Thanks!

BTW: I had a survey done before I bought it - est. value is $2k more than I negotiated the final price I paid for the boat (cradle included.)The boat will need to be rewired (a PO used regular residential stuff to splice in extra outlets, etc.) and new rigging (bends in the cables and some rust) etc.

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iwillnotsubmit
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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 06:17:41

Jim, I transport my Cat 25 just with a steel cradle and a 20' car hauler (flat bed trailer). I pull it with my c6500 dump truck with a 502, so no concern for power or stopping. The only thing to check it the overall height. I am at 13' 3" and max legal for Missouri and most places, is 13'6". It makes me very nervous leaving my neighborhood as some of the overhead lines seem really low. I have never snagged one, but be careful. You also need to check the position of the axles to make sure that your boat can sit on the trailer with the proper tongue weight. I was able to find the trailer used for $1000 and its in really good shape. When I don't need it to transport the boat anymore, it should be easier to sell than a sailboat trailer around here. Good luck with the repairs. Rob.

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iwillnotsubmit
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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 06:26:18

It is really cool to look out my back window and see my sailboat during the time she is there. Much more convenient for repairs too. I live in a very small town and the first time I pulled up with a big ol' sailboat hooked up to the truck, one of my neighbors came over and said "What the hell kinda jon boat is that?" It's not something you see everyday around here.

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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 08:48:09

Welcome to the group!

Another way to learn about sailing is on other skippers' boats. I've learned a lot about all the different ways the running rigging can be set up, by visiting a few other C-25 and C-250 sailors. Our Association provides you with a bunch of "Port Captains" who are happy to host visiting sailors in their local sailing venue for a daysail or just a coffee or a beer! If you join up, you certainly get your money's worth.

Here is the link to that list of [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19998"]Port Captains[/url]

For example, if you happen to be visiting Washington, DC some day, you are welcome to come on down to my boat and go sailing on the Chesapeake Bay! There may be other owners close to where you live, too. Check it out!

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jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 13:34:33

Thanks again to all!

@iwillnotsubmit - That's funny, because I was just looking at an ad for a used Ford L8000 tandem axle dump truck (former DOT truck) for sale near me dirt cheap. My boat doesn't have a name yet, but I've been thinking of naming her "Compromise" because that was the trade-off. The Admiral said I could (finally) buy a boat as long as I continue making progress on the whole-house remodeling that started 2 years ago, and the dump truck might come in handy for that. Dump truck or not, I'm thinking a flatbed trailer might be worth the investment - certainly more versatile than a boat trailer - but I didn't know if anyone else had tried that or not, or if it is just too unstable with the center of gravity that high up. It gets VERY windy around here and people don't have any patience when it comes to sticking to the speed limit, so they'd really be ticked at me for going slower pulling the boat. How has that worked for you? Any problems using a flatbed?

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iwillnotsubmit
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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 14:56:14

Don't pay attention to the impatient drivers when you are pulling your boat, just pay attention to getting her there safely. They might honk their horns and give a dirty look, but you will soon be sailing. Remember the boat weighs 4600#(approx.) and 2500# is in the keel. It looks really top heavy on a flatbed and is effected by the winds, so be careful and take it slow.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 06/11/2013 : 20:29:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by iwillnotsubmit
 ...Remember the boat weighs 4600#(approx.) and 2500# is in the keel...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...well, 1900#, but your point is valid. My concern would be whether the cradle is "roadworthy"--capable of taking bumps and other motions. When I bought my C-25, it was on a cradle that I would not trust moving down the road. Also, as mentioned, there's the height.

When other drivers see that towering monster on the road, they'll understand your caution.

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jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/12/2013 : 07:34:19

Thanks again. Good points. The cradle is steel with 4 screw pads (it looks like the one in the Tech section) with a big chunk of treated wood under the keel. Taking a guess, the guy at the marina thinks it probably weighs between 600-800 pounds. Would this be sufficient on top of a flatbed trailer? Most of the 40 mile trip is on a two-lane "highway" with a speed limit of 55mph, but the road is rough. I might be able to find a longer alternate route though. Thoughts?

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Response Posted - 06/12/2013 : 09:28:09

Coincidentally, [url="http://www.theday.com/article/20130611/NWS04/130619930/1070/FRONTPAGE"]this[/url] happened just yesterday on I-95 here in Groton, CT, closing the road for several hours.

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jimboryd
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Response Posted - 06/12/2013 : 14:25:50

Yeah, I do NOT want that to be me!

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