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BBJonbo
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Initially Posted - 10/05/2013 : 19:41:36

I just read that these models are no longer in production. They along with a mumber of other models have been moved to the archives on Catalina's website. Anxious to here what is announced at the Annapolis boat show. I don't see any announcements yet. Maybe next week after the show ends. Other than the 275 Sport, I haven't heard of a new 25', has anyone else?

Jonathan Hiron
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2009 Catalina 250WK MKII HN984
St. Albert, Alberta, Canada

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 10/05/2013 : 19:55:47

I think they're formally introducing the [url="http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=301&sid=2"]C275 Sport[/url] in Annapolis.

The C270 was discontinued several years ago,

I had not heard any plans to discontinue the C250 MkII, but your are correct that it no longer shows up as a current offering on their website. Obviously everyone here will be sad to see the 25 footers disappear from their lineup. It seems they've redefined their categories as daysailors/racers up to 27 feet, and cruisers above 31 feet. No place in their lineup for pocket cruisers any more. Maybe low demand and/or low profit margins doomed this class of boats?

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 10/06/2013 : 08:45:21

Interesting... Hunter also has a gap between 22 and 27'. Evidently the market is saying 25' is too small for cruising, and too big for a trailerable day sailer. People who can afford to seriously look at new boats might be finding that the interest rate market makes it easy for them to get into a real cruiser, instead of a "pocket" (hunch over) cruiser.

Another competitor that is priced substantially below what Catalina can afford to build, is the plethora of used Catalinas. The price gap is probably too big now. (By the time Compaq stopped building their 25, which was originally the Watkins, the retail price was in the $50K neighborhood.)

The good news (maybe) for C-250 sellers is they're no longer competing with new boat dealers--at least as soon as the inventory is cleared out.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/06/2013 : 09:24:46

More Good news... I now own a Collectible

Paul

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/06/2013 : 10:41:06

I agree with Dave's point that the available used market is a big player. Others are gas prices, haul vehicle prices and maintenance, and setup/takedown time.

Disposable income as well has certainly seen some changes for the average American. I think it has affected our model airplane activity.

Another factor that may be more subtle is the generation change. Different generations are enamored with differing interest. An older modeler related recently the story of a free flight model event in upstate New York around 1930 where 1,000 contestants flew free flight model airplanes with 10,000 spectators watching. Nothing like those numbers are seen for free flight modeling any more.

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bsmalley47
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Response Posted - 10/06/2013 : 12:39:28

I heard the 275 has replaced the 250 and as noted above the 250 brochure has been moved to the archived model section. There is an interesting article in the October 2013 issue of Sailing Magazine on the 275. The article refers to it as a "sportboat", but also says "throw in your sleeping bag and some food and you'd have a nice pocket cruiser". Floor plan appears to be very similar to the 250. Estimated price appears to be double what we paid for our new 250 in 2006!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/09/2013 : 14:04:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Arlyn Stewart
 Another factor that may be more subtle is the generation change. Different generations are enamored with differing interest.
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Speaking of a generational change, just last weekend during a meeting at our marina, my fellow sailors and I were talking about the good old days and I mentioned that when I first arrived in the marina I was in my early 30's and I was the young pup in the the mostly older group there. I'm now 50 and I am still the young pup in the group.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/11/2013 : 10:05:22

Don... it is quite similar for our model airplane group though we have a few younger, not as many as I recall when I was younger. I suspect that 80% of our membership is over 60. I'm 67 and suspect that the majority are older.

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pa-sailor
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Response Posted - 10/26/2013 : 08:10:57

Talked to the Catalina people at the Annapolis show. Catalina has discontinued all 250's. They offer (2) models of their 22' and the new
27.5 sport.

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 10/26/2013 : 12:36:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pa-sailor
 Talked to the Catalina people at the Annapolis show. Catalina has discontinued all 250's. They offer (2) models of their 22' and the new
27.5 sport.
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I wasn't at all impressed with the new 275. They've clearly targeted a different type of sailor. I can't believe that there's no market for a new cruiser smaller than 31'.

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 10/26/2013 : 13:32:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TakeFive
 ...I can't believe that there's no market for a new cruiser smaller than 31'.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">There is, but Catalina probably can't afford to build to it and maintain the quality image they want--particularly when that market is flooded with used Catalinas (and others). My observation is that, for whatever reason, sailors are more amenable to buying used boats than powerboaters are--maybe because, as a group, they know more about boats.

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