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britinusa
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Initially Posted - 10/13/2013 : 08:57:18

We're on our last day at Annapolis. Arrived Wednesday night for the Boat show on Thursday, sight seeing on Friday, back to the show on Saturday.

It's been raining almost constantly, enough time between showers to enjoy the show while wearing our water proofs.

Met some great people, saw some nice boats (and not so nice) and enjoyed the town as much as we could.

Met up with Bob Smailey, his wife Debbie and Daughter Jenner from Chessapeak. Bob was working the Catalina exhibit and we had a great review of the C315. Of course, the show offered plenty of time to compare the other boats.

Lots of pics to share, will post them once we get Pegs Camera hooked up to a PC.

I'll post them [url="https://www.catalina-capri-25s.net/cgi-local/MBR_gallery.cgi?Album+1000+146"]here.[/url]

Paul

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Moved up to C34 Eximius

Updated August 2015

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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 07:17:08

Paul,

We made a last-minute decision to drive down yesterday. I had forgotten that you were there, otherwise I might have arranged a link-up.

For me the biggest pleasant surprise of the show was the new Marlow-Hunter 37. Looks like they're upping their game. I've never liked Hunters, but this boat was different and significantly better. Did you see it? Interested to hear the comments of a fellow Catalina-phile.

David Marlow (new company owner) came up and introduced himself to me, and it is clear he has a lot of pride in this new boat and is determined to upgrade their materials of construction. The boat made a lot of use of real wood veneers on bulkheads (not the melamine fake woodgrain that Bene, Jenn, Hylas, etc. use), so in this respect they're catching up with Catalina in interior quality.

I don't think I'll ever buy a new boat, but if I were in the market for one I'd consider it. I also saw some gorgeous high-end boats, but probably not ever in the cards. My next boat will still most likely be a C320, but my wife has really latched onto the idea of a front-opening refrigerator, which the C320 lacks and could never be retrofitted.

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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 08:14:39

I was also at the show yesterday. Took a look at the Cat 31 and abunch of others. Bought a light zippered long sleeved brethable outerwear and another "Good Old Boat" cap. Now I have a cap for every day use and formal attire.

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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 17:55:50

I didn't go down into the Hunters, still not over the initial 'yuk' feeling 8 years ago. Besides, there were so many boats there to work through, the hunters dipped out.

Must say that the Catalina's, even though I'm biased, shone compared to the others.

Of note is, IMHO, that Catalina has dropped the 25' range altogether.

When comparing the C250 to the Beneteau 25S, the Catalina shines! The base price for the Bendytoy is double that of the last new C250 and the C250 has much more to offer.

I challenged Peggy to take as many pics as she could, in particular any That's Not Right! pics.
Here's the first:
<center>[url="https://www.catalina-capri-25s.net/cgi-local/MBR_system.cgi?VM+1000-2313"]

Click to View Full Sized Image[/url]
Thats not Right
Duck billed</center>

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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 17:59:22

And here's another:
<center>[url="https://www.catalina-capri-25s.net/cgi-local/MBR_system.cgi?VM+1000-2314"]

Click to View Full Sized Image[/url]
Thats not Right
Is that an anchor</center>

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 18:15:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 ...Of note is, IMHO, that Catalina has dropped the 25' range altogether...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
What did you think of the C275? I went on it, and I just don't get it.

I hope it's really really fast, because it sure is lacking in creature comforts.

I always love the Catalina boats. I go into the other production builders, see the fake melamine woodgrain, and just go yuck. But I also think it's good for all of us when someone else steps up their game and keeps everyone competing for our business.

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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 19:15:03

I don't get it, what's wrong in the two photos? I'm probably missing something completely obvious...

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 19:33:29

Quote Peggy: That Duckbill would be the first thing to go!
(click on the image to see it full size and you'll see what we mean)

and.. 'Our Dinghy Anchor is bigger than that!'

Paul

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Response Posted - 10/14/2013 : 21:47:05

Ok I think I see the issue in Duck bill, there is an actual woman on the dock of a boat show. I would love to see an explanation of the furler too.

... and WOW no 250 on the Catalina web site. That is a shame.

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Response Posted - 10/15/2013 : 03:14:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TakeFive
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 ...Of note is, IMHO, that Catalina has dropped the 25' range altogether...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
What did you think of the C275? I went on it, and I just don't get it.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It has to be targeted at the racing market.

My take on it (the demise of the C250) is that Catalina has a bunch of market data and figures that there is no market today for the Pocket Cruiser. However, there were so many boats that try to reach into that market at the show. And none of them approached the versatility of the C250. And none of them were in the price range of the C250. If smaller they were not much cheaper than the C250, if they were 25' their price was way higher than the C250. Despite their much higher price, the versatility was minimal.

The C250 meets a definite market. Particularly that of the price range.

Anyway, I subscribed to Good Old Boat at the show now that I own one!

Paul

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Response Posted - 10/15/2013 : 10:57:41

Is the duckbill in reference to the cruising spinnaker sprit?

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Response Posted - 10/15/2013 : 11:07:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Is the duckbill in reference to the cruising spinnaker sprit?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yea! I think a box of matches might have more strength! It's just waiting to hit something and break off.

Paul

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Response Posted - 10/15/2013 : 19:52:28

And here I thought it was using the bow pulpit to take the strain and the bases to add chafe to to the dock lines

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Response Posted - 10/15/2013 : 20:33:32

Did no one notice there are no chocks on the bow in the 1st picture? Although there are none on my C25 the cleats have a direct line of sight to the dock, not so on the boat in the 1st picture.

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Response Posted - 10/17/2013 : 19:29:01

About ten years ago I was at the Newport show and got into a conversation with a guy from Beneteau about the smaller (23-28) foot market and his comment was that their are too many used boats to compete with and with the high cost to build they could not make money in that range. Funny at how they are binging their long standing European pocket models to the US market. I would think there would be a significant market for new, practical (read not racing centered) boats in the 25 ft range. . . especially older type more sea kindly designs. Then again, I have no market research data, etc, etc.

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Response Posted - 10/17/2013 : 20:43:17

The most cruising-oriented 25-footer I've seen in the past 20+ years was the Compac (previously Watkins) 25. It had good standing headroom, nice traditional lines, and was nicely appointed inside and out. However, before 1990, it was priced in the 40s all up. Today it probably would have been 50s or more. Resin and teak have gone up exponentially. It's hard for that to compete with a 15 y.o. C-320 for about the same price, not to mention a well-kept '89 C-25 at $10-12K.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/17/2013 20:48:23

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Response Posted - 10/18/2013 : 03:33:53

A 25 foot cruiser? THIS is what you are lamenting?
http://www.wdschock.com/boats/harbor25/h25_renderings_b.php

Shock pretty much hit the market, sailability, and style all in one boat. Honestly, and they've sold well despite being pretty pricey.

I think 25 foot cruiser is a less sellable item honestly. Then there is this:
http://www.beneteau.com/Sailing-Yachts/First/First-25-S

I bet Catalina has a pretty good handle on what will sell. I frankly think the 275 is pretty ugly, but if it's nearly as sporty as it was originally stated, and it's as roomy as shown... then it'll sell well, especially at that price point.

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Response Posted - 10/18/2013 : 06:35:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 Shock pretty much hit the market, sailability, and style all in one boat. Honestly, and they've sold well despite being pretty pricey.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The Harbor 25 is a nice adaptation on the Alerion 28, as a "day-cruiser" (meaning room for a head, cooler, and kids with their iPads). A lot of folks here (more serious sailors than most C-25 owners) would be bored with that Hoyt boom, except those who tack up and down rivers. I doubt Shock sells enough of those to get Frank's attention.

The First... well, try crawling around in that and get back to us. Looks hot, but I can see Confetti giving it a serious run...

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Response Posted - 10/18/2013 : 09:44:16

On the other end of the 25' cruising spectrum: [url="http://www.boatus.com/classifiedads/searchDetails.aspx?action=search&adkey=86460#"]Creative Marine 25[/url]

They probably didn't get to Annapolis...

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Response Posted - 10/18/2013 : 19:40:12

I seriously considered buying a new Santana 22 about a dozen years ago when Tom Schock still ran the company. At the time he was eager to get an east coast presence with pricing to match -- my concern at the time was how well constructed the boats were for long term use. My situation changed so never followed through. Since then he has sold the company and the new owner has refocused from racing to cruising ergo the expanded Harbor line. The line looks nice.

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