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Initially Posted - 11/03/2013 : 17:11:42

We were out to RAG Sail II (1981) for our last autumn sail yesterday. She'll be staying at her slip through winter and so I wanted to get things in order. One of those items was to pump the fresh water out of the holding tank. It was about 2/3 full. I was able to pump it dry into the galley sink but I could not figure for the life of me where it went. The valve was closed (located below the galley stove area) otherwise the water backs into the icebox. I checked the bilge area to the starboard side of the swing keel housing...nothing. I used the bilge pump (located in port side cockpit locker...nothing. Is the waste water going out a scupper that I am not aware of?

Good to be back at sea!

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sethp001
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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 18:38:46

Bad valve letting the water out?

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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 18:58:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sethp001
 Bad valve letting the water out?
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If that is a statement, which valve is it? If that is a question, there are only three valves on board... 1) let's lake water in to the head for flushing 2) blocks sink water backing into ice chest 3) bilge pump out flow hose to transom outlet. The fourth valve, head waste is permenantly shut down.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 18:58:07

If it's a gate valve, it could look closed, but actually have a piece of trash in the valve body keeping it partly open allowing the water to drain. If it's a ball valve, this is almost not possible.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 19:52:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 If it's a gate valve, it could look closed, but actually have a piece of trash in the valve body keeping it partly open allowing the water to drain. If it's a ball valve, this is almost not possible.
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I don't think I made myself clear. The sink drained just fine. I just can't figure where it is draining to. If the gate valve ( located in the faux draw below the galley stove area) is open then it drains back into the ice chest before it completely drains. If the valve is closed then it drains out... But where?

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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 20:44:04

On my boat, water draining via the galley sink can only go two places - It will either backup and go to the icebox or out the seacock under the stove area.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 21:15:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 On my boat, water draining via the galley sink can only go two places - It will either backup and go to the icebox or out the seacock under the stove area.
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Larry, that describes what's happening on my vessel. Is the seacock a one way exit point or should there be a valve there to prevent sea water coming back into the boat? The gate valve that I am seeing is only between the ice chest and sink.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2013 : 21:42:44

I just found the pre-1988 owners manual and it describes a seacock for the sink drain. It also describes a valve, but I have never found one. Could it possibly be behind the draw under the sink? The closest valve I have seen is only the one that prevents the water from backing up into the icebox. There should be a valve by the thru-the-hull seacock, but where?

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Response Posted - 11/04/2013 : 04:48:36

Moe has two valves, one for the sink, another for the icebox drain. Pull the drawers out, and you should be able to see the sink drain, follow it down to the to-hull. I suspect the valve you are currently seeing is JUST for the ice-box. Does the ice-box drain with the valve closed?

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Response Posted - 11/04/2013 : 05:21:45

On my boat, I believe there is a check valve upstream of the seacock. That check valve, I suspect is clogged or stuck shut and as a result, if I pore water down the galley sink drain, the water will overflow into the icebox. Since I do not use my galley sink (at least up to now), this has not been an issue for me. The only time it becomes an issue or became noticeable in the past has been when I poured antifreeze down the galley sink drain, thinking that I would then open the seacock and wait for the antifreeze to drain out of the sink drain , then shut the seacock. That way, I would know that the antifreese was protecting the line all the way thru the seacock. However, when I pour the antifreeze down the galley sink and even after opening the seacock, all I notice is that antifreeze has overflowed into the ice box. So....perhaps sometime in the future, that is another project for me to tackle - troubleshooting that check valve (remove/replace or unclog it).

Getting back to your issue - Obviously, your water is exiting out the seacock. I do not know what is going on with any valves you have upstream of the seacock but seacocks are generally open/shut ball valves - In any case, they are not 3-way. If you have the standard seacock which is a ball valve 90 degree/quarter turn for open/shut, then when it is open, the handle should be parallel/in-line to the flow thru the valve/line/hose. It is shut when the valve handle is at 90 degrees/not parallel to the flow thru the valve/line/hose. It is easy to remember this because a handle that is parallel to the valve body/flow would signify pass through the valve where as a handle that is turn 90 degrees out from the valve would signify blocking/shutting the valve. This is the same mode/configuration for all open/shut, quarter turn ball valves. There are other types of ball valves (ie. 3 way) but the seacock is not one of them - It's an open/shut valve.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2013 : 06:11:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ape-X
 Moe has two valves, one for the sink, another for the icebox drain. Pull the drawers out, and you should be able to see the sink drain, follow it down to the to-hull. I suspect the valve you are currently seeing is JUST for the ice-box. Does the ice-box drain with the valve closed?

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Your answer seems to be spot on and coincides with the user manual I found on line. I won't be able to go out to her until the end of the month but at least it's a valve that is connected to an opening way above the waterline. I'm beginning to wonder if the PO's ever shut this valve. Thanks all for your help.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2013 : 07:19:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
Larry, that describes what's happening on my vessel. Is the seacock a one way exit point or should there be a valve there to prevent sea water coming back into the boat? The gate valve that I am seeing is only between the ice chest and sink.
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It is not a one way valve. The galley sink is above the waterline at all points of heel.

This is not true for the icebox on the C-25. This is why a lot of us either added a second valve just for the icebox drain line or put a cork into the drain of the icebox (or did both). The icebox will fill with lake/sea water when the boat is heeled.

You may also find water in your head's sink (if the boat is equipped with one) at high angles of heel.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2013 : 18:36:55

Follow the hose under the sink. It should go to the hose under the icebox and then to the thru-hull. Test the valve in both "open" and "closed" positions using a gallon jug of water.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2013 : 18:57:23

I decided a while back to plug the drain of the icebox with a piece of tapered dowel and put my pots, pans, utensils and plates in it. I haven't disconnected anything, but have decided not to use the galley sink for water. I use the head sink to wash my hands, however because of the hull shape, the drain hose is not strictly monotonic and collects water at a low spot.
I don't use the water tank, instead keep gallon jugs of water around for cleaning. Unless I'm using the sink, I keep the seacocks closed.

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Response Posted - 11/05/2013 : 04:45:29

Did you mean 'Grey Water Tank' ?

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Response Posted - 11/05/2013 : 04:49:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If the gate valve ( located in the faux draw below the galley stove area) is open then it drains back into the ice chest before it completely drains. If the valve is closed then it drains out... But where?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I had to reread this statement, maybe a PO modified the plumbing.

Here is a thread from last year about changing the valves and plugging the ice box, it has a couple of photos that may help:

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25727& SearchTerms=ice,melter

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