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jduck00
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Initially Posted - 11/14/2013 : 15:32:05

Hey fellows. Here's another question for you.

I've got an 1980 swing keel. With the holding tank empty, I've added ~50 lbs to the vberth. I stow all of my gear and both head sails in the quarter birth. Probably 60lbs worth of stuff.

With the keel up, the boat sits nicely on the waterline and the cockpit drains work well. With the keel down, she sits on her nose and there is a 1/2" of water that never drains. I leave the keel down while I'm at dock. In fact, I only raise it to clear the bar at the back of my slip.

I've thought about adding 250lbs to the stern of the boat. That's about what I weigh. I can stand on the stern and get the water to flow back to the drains.

The boat sails well and I don't wont to ruin that. How bad is 250-300lbs of ballast going to hurt performance under sail?

Jeremy Duck
The Lucky Duck
1980 SKSR Hull # 1850

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sethp001
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Response Posted - 11/14/2013 : 16:03:38

I don't know the answer to your question about sailing performance, but I have had the same issue as you. I do know I can make my cockpit drain by cranking the keel up just a few turns. I believe this is safe as the keel does not have too far to fall should the keel lifting hardware fail.

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jduck00
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Response Posted - 11/14/2013 : 17:38:12

Nice to know. I might have to play with cranking it up slightly. Right now the keel scares me. I replaced all of the hardware except the attachment point of the cable at the keel. The old bolt was to rusted to get out safely. I'll have to machine it out at some point.

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Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 11/14/2013 : 21:28:11

Yes the connection of the stainless cable and fitting to the cast iron keel is concern and it has failed with PO,s . The yard modified mine to a simple hole through the keel that aCI shakle pin fits and allows the cable with a simple SS eye to be shackled straight to the keel. This is easy and cheap to replace every 2-3 years ,and any corosion is very clear .

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CarbonSink62
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Response Posted - 11/15/2013 : 09:34:26

I have read that the C25 sits down at the nose with no crew so that it will sit even with 2-3 adults in the cockpit. The displacement is so low that the crew weight makes a big difference.

After I added my 'new' Honda, I was down at the stern until I moved batteries forward. Now I float on my lines, I wonder if I want to be nose heavy again. It definitely squats down under power. I'll be making storage space for my tools under the V berth (with 110# of new batteries added last year) maybe that will improve the situation. Only 30# or so, but all the way forward.

To answer the OP question, I would look for something already on board that you can move aft when you are done for the day. Anchor, tools, water jugs. I wouldn't add deadweight to the boat.

Ken

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sailboat
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Response Posted - 11/15/2013 : 16:08:09

Our 1980 SK/SR is down by the bow with the keel down. Since there was obvious damage from a previous SK failure (only figured that out after we had bought the boat) we leave the keel full down at all times, especially since it is moored in salt water.

We have nothing stowed in the v berth. As much as possible all gear is stowed aft and starboard. All galley gear, the head, holding tank, the motor, and dinette are to port however. We keep the water tank to stbd full and the holding tank empty. The battery and kerosene tank for the Force 10 heater are also to stbd.

Despite that she still rides slightly bow down with a very slight port list. Underway she rides just fine.

Just remember more weight equals less performance.

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jduck00
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Response Posted - 11/15/2013 : 18:24:54

I played with the keel today some. It rained last night so I still had water in the cockpit. About 8 cranks on the winch got the water slowly draining out. I think I'll leave it that way and see what happens.

I still might get a couple hundred pounds of weight and throw in the cockpit when I'm not onboard. I've got plenty of dock space to store them when I'm out for sail.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/16/2013 : 12:06:49

I'd try Seth's idea of cranking up the keel a bit, and see if that solves the problem, mainly because loading and unloading 200-300 lbs of weights would be a hassle. Otherwise, carrying extra weight wouldn't ordinarily have much of an effect on the boat's sailing characteristics. In fact, sometimes it's an advantage.

The only times it might have an adverse effect is in light air (because, in light air it is helpful to make the boat heel to leeward, and the extra ballast would make it harder to induce heel). Also, extra weight would make the boat heavier and thus less able to get up on a plane in those very rare instances when that might be possible.

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