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awetmore
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Response Posted - 11/23/2013 :  07:15:00  Show Profile
Full page listing of this stuff:
http://www.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/00014.htm

LS-3100 gate hook:
http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-over-center-gate-hook-w-splice-end-ls-3100

LS-3300 if you move your gates to another part of the boat and want them to terminate at a stanchion:
http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-splice-end-to-gate-eye-ls-3300

Club/Account pricing on these items at Fisheries is about 15% cheaper ($52 on the gate hook).

LS-3170 is newer and might work well on the C-25 and C-250. It is about $10 cheaper and a little smaller.

My gates are at the boat's beam, not at the cockpit.
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 11/29/2013 :  12:34:36  Show Profile
My lifelines are the original ones, vinyl covered. Yes, they should be replaced. No. they do not SHOW any signs of problems, but then again they are vinyl covered. If covered SS have lasted 33 years, I think next time I am going to go with bare SS -- I do not plan on owning this boat in 33 years and stainless is a known entity. As far as the stantions, I have confidence that they will withstand any conditions I would ever be out sailing/motoring in.

I may change my tune if OEM high end yacht manufacturers begin using alternative materials -- and there is a proven track record of how they perform, and for how long, in various conditions, after all they are called LIFE lines!
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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 11/29/2013 :  16:27:08  Show Profile
Thanks for the interesting info. All the debate on how to properly splice and whip the synthetics made my brain hurt. I'm going to stick with stainless.

I went to the boat today and removed the four lifelines (two in front of the midships pulpits, and two aft of them). I did not have to remove the stanchions by the tabernacle, since the threaded swages passed through the holes with no problem.

I called West Marine, and they said the vast majority of their customers still use vinyl coated SS, because bare SS will grab the hairs on your arms and legs. So that's what I'm leaning towards. I expect it will last me longer than I have the boat. It will also allow me to re-use my existing pelican hooks.

Our local West Marine will either send them out to their Annapolis rigging service, or might be able to swage them right there for me (if the right guy is at the store when I arrive). So I'm going to take them down tomorrow at opening time and see what he can do for me.
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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 11/30/2013 :  03:49:14  Show Profile
good point about hairs caught, it is often overlooked. If your adjustments are near end of stroke, be sure to have the store reduce length slightly.
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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 11/30/2013 :  07:22:28  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ape-X</i>
<br />good point about hairs caught, it is often overlooked. If your adjustments are near end of stroke, be sure to have the store reduce length slightly.
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All the adjustments were far from end of stroke, in fact I'm concerned that if they reduce length any I won't be able to thread them on.

I was considering adding pelican hooks at the bow pulpit in case we ever need to dock bow-first, but I'm concerned that it could chafe my genoa, so I'm going to leave the hardware as-is.
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