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Dave Bristle
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Initially Posted - 02/14/2003 : 19:43:28

Bad day at the office!

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Response Posted - 02/14/2003 : 19:49:29

Wow! that was a quick end to race #1. I guess breaking a mast is the only other thing that could be worse.

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Response Posted - 02/14/2003 : 20:00:03

ESPN missed it--the reason NZ was taking water early in the first leg was that the boom had already broken, the main was way too full, and the excess power was burying their rail. I saw the problem with the main about a minute after the start--that's when NZ started sailing lower, and the crew started bailing.

Too bad--I was looking forward to a race!

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Response Posted - 02/14/2003 : 20:36:23

Cancel my order for a carbon-fiber boom!!

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Response Posted - 02/14/2003 : 20:41:27

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"Catastrophic end to Team New Zealand's first race"

15.02.2003
2.36pm - Continuously updated

Team New Zealand withdrew from race one of the 31st America's Cup this afternoon after two serious gear failures only minutes into the race.

Although NZL82 appeared to be as fast as Team Alinghi's SUI64 off the starting line, and had the favoured right hand side of the course, problems were soon apparent aboard the black boat as it sailed to windward in a fresh breeze.

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First there was the shocking site of a New Zealand crewmember attempting to use a bucket to bail out the boat's cockpit while the lee rail remained submerged.

It is unknown whether some of the water made its way below deck, placing heavier loads on the hull and rig of NZL82.

Then the tip of the boom, including the outhaul car, broke off, causing the mainsail to lose shape and slowing the boat.

That was followed a few minutes later by the loss of the boat's genoa. It appeared the tack of the sail broke, causing the entire sail to tear out of the headfoil.

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The crew attempted to hoist another headsail, but it too came out of the headfoil when it was only part way up.

As Team New Zealand called in the support boats and withdrew from the race, rivals Alinghi rounded the first mark en route to an easy win.

Team Alinghi must now continue to sail around the course in order to claim victory. The crew of SUI64 has eased up to protect their boat, opting to sail the first downwind leg without a spinnaker.

The two yachts were racing in winds of 19-23 knots, which is stronger than would have been permissible under the rules of the challenger series which Team Alinghi won convincingly.

Both boats have, however, been practising in winds as high as 30 knots, so today's failures aboard NZL82 were a surprise.

Marks 2, 3, 4

* Alinghi rounds the marks alone, using only genoa and mainsail.

Mark 1

* Team Alinghi rounds the first windward mark while the wounded NZL-82 wallows in a choppy sea far behind. The New Zealand crew are still struggling to recover the genoa which came out of the headfoil. The tip of the boom on NZL82 is also broken.

First windward leg

* Team Alinghi must still sail all the way around the course to claim victory in race one.

* Team New Zealand has been forced to drop its genoa due to an unknown problem aboard NZL82.

* At the first cross, Team Alinghi passes clear ahead of Team New Zealand and tacks onto starboard. Team New Zealand is hampered by the loss of its mainsail outhaul and is still shipping water, with crew using a bucket to bail the cockpit.

* Team New Zealand have suffered a serious mechanical failure, breaking the tip of their boat's boom and thereby losing outhaul tension on the foot of the mainsail.

* Team New Zealand tacks onto starboard. Alinghi, still on port, appears able to cross clear ahead.

* Team Alinghi tacks onto port. Team New Zealand still bailing the cockpit of NZL82.

* Team New Zealand tack onto port - a relief, no doubt, for Team Alinghi who were being pushed far out to port.

* The boats seem to have little difference in speed, as they gradually converge with both on starboard tack.

* A Team New Zealand crew member has been bailing with a bucket as the lee rail of NZL-82 is submerged.

* A small left-hand shift helps Alinghi close the margin slightly to about 6m.

The start

* Team New Zealand's NZL82 appears untroubled by foul air in its position on the hip of Alinghi SUI64, and looks to be in good position to defend the favoured right-hand side of the course.

* Both boats start on starboard tack at speed, with Team New Zealand to windward, and about 8 metres ahead.

Pre-start

Five minutes before the start, the yachts steered through choppy seas to enter the start box with a southerly wind (190 degrees) at a steady 19.5 knots.

Team New Zealand, flying the blue flag entered from the port end of the start line. Anlighi, flying the yellow flag, entered from starboard.

Team New Zealand skipper Dean Barker went quickly into a dial-up position but Alinghi skipper Russell Coutts opted to circle in an apparent attemt to get under Team New Zealand.

At 1.10 to go, Team New Zealand attempted to hook under Team Alinghi with the boats needing to kill time.

The right-hand side of the course looks to be favoured.

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Response Posted - 02/14/2003 : 20:49:10

Makes one appreciate a good Catalina!
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Response Posted - 02/14/2003 : 21:38:37

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From the New Zealand Herald,

...Team Alinghi must now continue to sail around the course in order to claim victory. The crew of SUI64 has eased up to protect their boat, opting to sail the first downwind leg without a spinnaker....<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Wrong--NZL hadn't withdrawn when Alinghi rounded the mark, so Alinghi pulled up the chute, dousing it comfortably early before the mark, and never used it again.

Lighter winds predicted for tomorrow--let's hope for a race!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 02/15/2003 : 11:39:57

"We can fix it, says Schnackenberg"

15.02.2003
3.15pm

Team New Zealand syndicate head Tom Schnackenberg says NZL82 and her crew will be race-ready in time for tomorrow's second start in the America's Cup, despite at least two serious gear failures on the black boat today.

"The breakages can be repaired and the boat could probably be turned around in half an hour," he told TVNZ as NZL82 was ushered back into her berth at the Viaduct Basin.

The team would be "annoyed" by today's gear failures, said Schnackenberg who had been watching the first race of the 31st America's Cup from one of the chase boats.

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Team New Zealand was forced to withdraw before even reaching mark one in today's race, after breaking the tip of the boom on NZL82 and then suffering a problem with the genoa headfoil. The gear problems left the New Zealand cup defender unable to set any sail.

Although NZL82 got off to a good start against challenger Team Alinghi's SUI64, the black boat began taking water soon after the start in choppy seas and winds of up to 25 knots.

Asked whether he was surprised at the amount of water seen sloshing over the lee rail of NZL82, Schnackenberg told TVNZ he knew that the boat and the team's training boat, NZL81, were wet.

"Typically when we sail we've had a fair bit of water aboard, and cursed about it," he told TVNZ.

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A Team New Zealand crew member could be seen attempting to bail the yacht's cockpit during today's race, using a large blue bucket.

Schnackenberg said Team New Zealand would be making a "little bit better effort" to keep the boat dry.

Yachting commentators have speculated that some of the water may have found its way below decks and placed a heavy load on NZL82's hull and rig, contributing to the two gear failures.

The yacht's designer, Clay Oliver, boarded NZL82 soon after the team withdrew from the race.

Alinghi needed to complete the six-leg, 18.5 nautical mile race to win the point from the first race and were sailing comfortably down the second leg when Team New Zealand pulled out.

Team New Zealand won the America's Cup in 1995 and successfully defended sport's oldest trophy in 2000 but could not have imagined a worse start to their second Cup defence.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Response Posted - 02/15/2003 : 11:45:26

Heh heh.. perhaps what goes round comes round...

Remember the commercial for Steinlager beer (NZ national beer) ridiculing team Australia after their boat broke in two and sank in the last cup trials?

"Steinlager.. the only thing that goes down faster than Australia I"

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Response Posted - 02/15/2003 : 11:51:57

"A Six Tonne Problem"

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By Peter Rusch

Team New Zealand suffered a huge setback on Saturday when it had to retire from Race One of the America’s Cup after a trifecta of gear problems, handing the first race, and the early advantage to the Swiss Alinghi Team.

It was a terrible day for the Kiwis, who hadn’t raced since March 2nd, 2000, when they defended the America’s Cup against the Prada Challenge.

On Saturday, in tough conditions with Southwest winds over 22 knots, and short, steep, choppy water, the Black boat, which initially showed impressive speed, wasn’t up to the challenge.

“Obviously we are very disappointed to break gear in the first race,” admitted Team New Zealand skipper Dean Barker. “But we were sailing along in plenty of breeze and sometimes things break and when that happens that can lead to other things going wrong, but we seemed to have a lot of gremlins on the boat today.”

Although Barker later spoke about problems well before the start sequence, the problems began in earnest shortly after the start gun fired, with both boats streaking out to the left side of the race course on starboard tack. As the boats fought through the strong winds and choppy water, it soon became clear that water was accumulating at an alarming rate in the cockpit of NZL-82.

“We felt pretty good off the start line, but we started taking on so much water,” Barker said. “The sea state was in a fairly short chop and I think that was factor along with the strong breeze and also the spectator wash, we certainly haven’t encountered a problem like that in any of the other sailing we have done so it was a bit of shock to us to have the leeward side full of water after only eight or nine minutes of sailing. We certainly have never experienced that before.”

The amount of water on board NZL-82 was shocking to most observers. Syndicate head Tom Schnackenberg and skipper Dean Barker eventually estimated that there was as much as six tonnes of water swilling around in the cockpit. Pitman Matt Mitchell was assigned a bucket to try and bail it out, but he was fighting a losing battle.

“Initially we got a couple of waves over in the pre-start, but once we started racing it was coming in over the leeward side,” Barker said. “As fast as they were bailing…the water was coming in faster than that.”

That amount of water soon turned a 25 tonne boat into a 30 tonne boat and in the strong wind, the boat was loaded up much more than usual.

Team New Zealand started losing ground to Alinghi and was forced to tack away. When Barker tacked back to close in on the Swiss team, the aft end of the carbon fibre boom broke under the strain. Team New Zealand had now lost control over the foot of the mainsail, and in the big breeze, the sail assumed a dangerously full shape.

Soon after that, as NZL-82 crested a wave, the titanium tack ring that holds the bottom forward corner of the genoa to the deck exploded. The sail was wrenched out of the luff track, and the day was over for Team New Zealand.

“I guess for us, we don’t for any stretch of the imagination think we are out of the event just because we have had a bad day,” Barker said. “Yes, its is disappointing for us…but I think we came off the line pretty much close to even, even in the short time that we sailed each other and that is reassuring because we haven’t raced against another team…tomorrow is another day and we believe we are in a position to go out and race these guys and give them a run for their money so we are looking forward to tomorrow and the rest of the event and we will see what happens.”

What cannot be overlooked is the vast difference in sailing time between SUI-64 and NZL-82. The Swiss boat is the second oldest in the fleet of new generation boats, while Team New Zealand’s black boat is the newest. In fact, Team New Zealand has sailed NZL-82 for just four months, while Alinghi has been putting SUI-64 through its paces longer than any team, for well over a year. The inevitable question is has Team New Zealand sailed enough?

“We have a boat that we’re very happy with,” Schnackenberg insists. “What we have to do is take a very good look at all the assumptions we made in engineering and the boys will be having a very good look around everything in the boat, not only features in the design but also to see if there is any damage that occurred because of the damage that did occur. We think we will be fine but we are not taking it lightly.”

Pictures of NZL-82 from helicopters over the race course showed the water collecting in what appeared to be a type of well behind the mainsheet traveller. There is some speculation along the docks that the boat is designed to hold a bit of sea water in that part of the cockpit to help the back end sit lower in the water, and that in the unusual seaway, it all went horribly wrong.

It’s a truism of all types of sailing that strong winds expose weakness. The question to be answered over the next few days is, was today an aberration or is Team New Zealand in trouble?

We’ll receive at least a partial answer in 24 hours time.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2003 : 12:45:13

So what now, team New Zealand replaces her TO-HULLS with Catalina Direct THRU-HULLS and we're off to race 2 tonight? That's it?

Would you believe I saw the gun sound the start and was whisked off to the WIZARD OF OZ at my sons school. I'll scream if the Wiz is ever produced again in my life time.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Response Posted - 02/16/2003 : 12:54:29

Let's hope Team New Zealand isn't using a pressurized-alcohol stove to heat water for afternoon tea. Oh wait, no windows on their boat, so no curtains to catch fire....I guess they're safe...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 02/17/2003 : 09:40:04

Thanks for the update. believe it or not, I was all set to watch when the cable box wouldn't turn on. After a little investigation, my cat had barfed in the box and shorted it out. So I have to go buy a new one. There goes the roller furling fund. Oh Well.

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Response Posted - 02/17/2003 : 10:00:25

"...my cat had barfed in the box and shorted it out."

That's almost as good as,..."My dog ate my homework! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 02/17/2003 : 10:45:05

Just curious, if Team New Zealand has lost the series, does that mean the next AC race will be held in the Swiss Alps in the winter time? Some place like this?

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Response Posted - 02/17/2003 : 14:30:45

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Just curious, if Team New Zealand has lost the series, does that mean the next AC race will be held in the Swiss Alps in the winter time? Some place like this?

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I went to a talk last Monday at the club held by Phil Trintner, one of the Grinders on Oracle. I asked a similar question...where would it be? Since the charter mandates blue water
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They couldn't have it on Lake Geneva - From what I have come to understand, the French, the Spanish and the Phillipinos have all tossed there hat in the ring to host it for the Swiss. It will all come down to whomever wants to donate the most $$$ to the Swiss team.

He also said that if New Zealand wins, he knows there will be a race in two years...if the Swiss win, it is all up in the air....

One other word of note, one woman asked how much these guys get paid....its roughly $15k per month for a grinder, 30 to 45k per month for the afterguard. That is in USD. They spend most of their time in New Zealand however, where the exchange rate is quite favorable.

dw

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Response Posted - 02/17/2003 : 17:24:00

"$15k per month for a grinder,30 to 45k per month for the afterguard"
Dave - where do I sign up....
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Response Posted - 02/18/2003 : 08:12:17

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"$15k per month for a grinder,30 to 45k per month for the afterguard"
Dave - where do I sign up....
Derek

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Exactly my thoughts...Phil one a few star class championships and happened to be in the right place at the right time a few years back. They asked him to crew on the training boat, not knowing any better he told them the price was 200 bones a day...They said, hey how about 700....

And all I provide my crew is cold beer...

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Response Posted - 02/18/2003 : 10:35:00

"And all I provide my crew is cold beer..."
Duane - my crew bring their own beer - they say that mine is too warm
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Response Posted - 02/18/2003 : 10:38:17

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Phil one a few star class championships...
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Duane: You get the Homonym Award of the Weak! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 02/18/2003 : 15:30:38

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Phil one a few star class championships...
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Duane: You get the Homonym Award of the Weak! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Deer Dave,

Does the award in question come with a bouquet of flours. If so eye am deathly allergic two most varieties. The rowses our (ed. note, the editor realises "our" is not considered a homonym in all dialects of english)the wons that bother me the most. Please let me no, because Aye will half to opt not too attend the awards ceremony.

Thank ewe,
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Response Posted - 02/18/2003 : 16:02:58

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...Aye will half to opt not too attend the awards ceremony.

Thank ewe,
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2 bad, Duane... I'll have to divide up the roses among the 17 who are tied for second for using "your" as a homonym for "you're" (as in "you are"). Yours was much better--so subtle and unexpected I had to reread the sentence to realize what you were saying! That was my first smile of the day (after digging 4' of snow off the end of the driveway).

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Response Posted - 02/19/2003 : 13:40:12

But the AC, I believe, could be held on a Great Lake, an appendage of the sea, if a Great Lake Club challenged and won the AC. Seems melges represented a Chicago club a few years ago, and had they won the reaces would have held in Chicago.

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Response Posted - 02/19/2003 : 20:39:57

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But the AC, I believe, could be held on a Great Lake, an appendage of the sea...
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I suspect not. A body of fresh water with several hundred miles, various falls (Niagra), and locks between it and the sea is probably not considered an "appendage to the sea."

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Response Posted - 02/19/2003 : 20:58:37

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"A Six Tonne Problem"

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Wow, now this picture should go into a photo-journalism text book on what not to publish!

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Response Posted - 02/20/2003 : 08:39:35

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But the AC, I believe, could be held on a Great Lake, an appendage of the sea, if a Great Lake Club challenged and won the AC. Seems melges represented a Chicago club a few years ago, and had they won the reaces would have held in Chicago.
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Actually Don, when Melges represented the Chicago Yacht club they had to get an ammendment to the deed of gift. (please note, I am not a lawyer this is just how I read and interpreted this stuff) Here's the original wording <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Any organized Yacht Club of a foreign country, incorporated, patented, or licensed by the legislature, admiralty, or other executive department, having for its annual regatta on ocean water course on the sea, or on an arm of the sea, or one which combines both, shall always be entitled to the right of sailing a match for this Cup, with a yacht or vessel propelled by sails only and constructed in the country to which the Challenging Club belongs, against any one yacht or vessel constructed in the country of the Club holding the Cup<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Here is the "amendment"...
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ORDERED and ADJUDGED, that the petition of The Royal Perth Yacht Club of Western Australia Incorporated is granted with the consent of the Attorney General of the State of New York, representative of the public interest in the Deed of Gift, to the extent of declaring that the Deed of Gift entitles the Chicago Yacht Club, a yacht club of a foreign (i.e. competing) country as contemplated in the Deed of Gift, to enroll and compete as a contestant for the "America’s Cup<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

They would, however still have to hold the races on an arm of the sea, or the sea itself. The interesting aspect here is that the Swiss are landlocked, whereas Chicago Yacht club is incorporated in a country that is on the sea(s). The link below shows the petition that the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron had to file on behalf of the Swiss. The Swiss have, of late, in order to fill all of the requirements, had their annual regatta on the ocean. See the link for the exact wording.
http://www.aarminski.com.pl/download/acap00_6.doc

The Chicago Yacht Club could have easily put an outpost location in any number of locations to hold the Cup races if they would have won. Take for example the New York Yact Club - they have a club facility in Newport, Rhode Island.

see also
http://espn.go.com/oly/ac2002/s/2003/0109/1490019.html

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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