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kiko
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Initially Posted - 06/02/2014 : 22:13:48

Curious for pics or links to posts with pics on your installation of the C/D deck hardware kit.

Pics/info of where you may have repositioned the new vhf and mast lights wiring on deck would be a bonus.

thanks!

1979 C-25 SR/SK/Dinette
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 06/03/2014 : 09:12:43

Sorry but that is a bit of a nebulas request. Do you mean deck organizer? CD does not make anything, they are a Catalina dealer in California who does a good job of "kitting" some parts. Most of their parts are manufactured by Garhauer who has their own sales department if you prefer to buy from them direct. Garhauer is adequate hardware but nowhere near the quality of most other better known manufacturers.
A good boat owner selects the best hardware they can afford and puts it where they decide they want it. The best advice can be found by looking at other boats on your own docks and figure out why people did what they did and decide if it is what you would like.

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kiko
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Response Posted - 06/03/2014 : 11:32:32

Yes Frank, I do mean the catalina direct deck hardware kit which includes the organizers and the rope clutches.

Reason why I have asked as here in lake havasu city AZ, docks are filled with powerboats and poontoons, not sailboats.

I've redone deck hardware with everything leading back to cockpit before on a windrose 18, just curious to see how others may have set theirs up on a catalina 25.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/03/2014 : 12:10:48

I'm not entirely sure if this is what you're asking for, but I took this photo while replacing my windows.

The deck organizer was installed at the factory. The double rope clutch and winch I installed later.

The halyard almost makes a perfect 90 degree angle.

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Response Posted - 06/03/2014 : 18:19:38

I prefer Spinlock rope clutches, and Harken Deck organizers. The Garhauer deck organizers are fine, but they are copies of Schaeffers. The deck organizers you want depends on how many lines you are leading back per side and whether or not you have a halyard plate under you mast step. This is my '82 with 4 line aft per side.

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kiko
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Response Posted - 06/04/2014 : 16:29:40

Hey Davy and Frank,

thank you gentlemen, that is exactly what I needed to see.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 06/04/2014 : 16:43:17

You betcha. Sometimes I forget how lucky I am to belong to a sailboat only club where I can see things on other boats.

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kiko
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Response Posted - 06/04/2014 : 20:57:28

Hey Frank,

yeah, wish I had that problem :)

Only time we see sailboats out here is during the HPCC (Sean Mulligan's havasu Pocket Cruisers Convention).

Another question if I may, I want to move the jib winch at the mast to where you placed yours on the port side of deck.

What did you use to bed the winch to the deck and what did you create/use for a backing plate?

Thanks!

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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 05:43:51

<< create/use for a backing plate? >>

I used some washers to spread the load. Sorry I don't have any pictures, I need to take some after recently adding the runs to the cabintop and winches.

Anyhoo.... The deal is there is a deck and a liner. Add something to the deck that takes a load and the liner and deck can compress the gap between them together and your hardware sorta comes up off the deck cracking the seal on the deck bedding, so you need to fill the gap between the deck and liner. And seal the edges of the holes you are drilling.

Oversize drill the holes for your bolts, and then fill them with resin, duck taping the inside openings. I recommend Gflex and it kicks in about 30 minutes to 2 hours depending on how well you mixed it up and temperatures and batch size, and you want to wait for it to thicken up some before pouring it into the holes to prevent it from just running down into the liner. I had to sit next to the holes and pour some in and then top it off every 15 minutes or so till it kicks.

By "pour" I mean inject the gflex into the holes with a syringe. So you mix up a batch in a paper cup... mixing welll.... and then wait for it to thicken up some, just as it is thickening, suck it up into the syringe and add it to your holes and wait and repeat. It's an art not a science. Don't mix all of the Gflex you bought, I try about one third to one half at a time.

If it's a hot day it kicks fast, if it's a cold day it will not kick..... I've used resin for a long time and Gflex batches seem to me to be really consistent... Kicking slower then you think and taking longer than you would have liked... which it better than kicking fast or not kicking at all....

Then ( after it kicks or cures up ) you drill out the holes to the correct bolt size.

This adds a filler for the gap between the deck and the liner and seals the deck from water intrusion, so even it your bedding gets old it prevents water from getting sucked up into you deck and rotting the wood in the deck.

Bedding compound is Polysulfide ( Boatlife ) for metal and I think Silicone ( or butyl tape ) for Plastic ( clutches ). I usta use dolfinite bedding compound for years but you hafta buy a can of it at like $45 a can nowadays.

If you make a spot to describe how we do this and post it on the internet I think the members would send you about $20 bucks each. . . .

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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 11:06:26

I sail an inland lake in KS. We have weeks over 100 degrees in the summer and our boats spend the winter on the hard covered up. In the half dozen boats I have owned and outfitted I have never bothered with the over drill technique and usually bed with silicone or whatever #m I have 3000 4000 42000. Our boats bake enough in the that I have never in 20 years seem a deck suffer from water intrusion at our club... just saying that different climes require different amounts of effort on things like bedding deck hardware. The best advise is do not tighten things until the next day so what ever you use sets up and compresses that last little bit of torque as you snug things up. The snug up should not be more than 1/2 a twist of the bolt. ... and through bolt when possible, screws do not belong on decks.

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islander
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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 11:39:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I have never bothered with the over drill technique and usually bed with silicone or whatever #m I have 3000 4000 42000.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Shield my eye's! This is blasphemy!!!

I have to admit I have never done the fill and re-drill either. I'll just pack my things and go...

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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 12:56:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 Bedding compound is Polysulfide ( Boatlife ) for metal and I think Silicone ( or butyl tape ) for Plastic ( clutches )...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Boatlife makes Life Caulk (polysulfide--not for plastics) and Life Seal (good lwith plastics). I'm not a fan of silicone on deck--it can make a mess if you try to wipe off any excess. The residue is difficult to remove and darkens with sun exposure. I did use it where my chainplates go through the deck, for maximum resilience.

Catalina Direct includes components from various manufacturers in their kits--not just Garhauer. My halyard kit had Harken organizers and blocks, and Spinlock clutches. There's nothing wrong with picking your own stuff, but IMHO, CD does a good job of picking and combining the right stuff for these boats, and their prices are in line with most.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 15:43:11

Well... I won't bother writing that up again.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 15:49:09

And all that gear is still in tip-top shape I might add (or at least it was when I left Passage yesterday). You have to gauge the calculation: buy the best stuff you can afford if you plan to keep your boat for awhile, not so much if you plan to sell it soon.
Edit: damned iOS autocorrections!!!

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kiko
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Response Posted - 06/05/2014 : 21:07:20

Actually Red Eye, everything I've read is exactly how you describe so your write-up was well worth it to me.

Thanks Frank for the photo and info on your winch install.

Thanks to all others for chiming in, all the info I can muster truly helps :)

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