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jncarlin
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Initially Posted - 02/23/2003 : 20:02:11

As a former powerboater (yes, I had crossed over from the dark side several years ago!!!), there was usually a Coast Guard plate in the boat that indicated maximum capacities in terms of weight or persons that the boat was legally able to carry.

My Cat25 is my second sailboat - neither it nor my previous sailboat had any indication of the maximum capacities. Is there a listed max capacity somewhere?

Thanks!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/23/2003 : 21:32:55

I don't know the "official" answer, but I suspect the practical answer is that you can't get that many people on a C-25. On most small powerboats, the limit is based on freeboard and the point at which moderate seas or big wakes might swamp the vessel, particularly over the transom. With the freeboard, volume, and ballast of a C-25, I can't imagine how you could approach that limit.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 02/23/2003 : 22:00:09

The USCG Auxiliary publication "Boating Skills & Seamanship" states that sailboats, canoes, kayaks and inflatables are exempt from having to have capacity plates. That being said there is a formula for an estimate of the maxumum number of people. Length (feet)x Width (feet) and divide by 15 ie. 25 x 8.5=212.5/15 = 14.17 so 14 people. This is for each person weighing 150 lbs. and calm seas. Just try and sail with 14 people aboard.

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Under Roof Cave Run Lake KY
Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 02/24/2003 : 08:48:47

Several years ago, our sailing club did a cruise in the San Joaquin River Delta that involved a ferry run to get the drivers of tow vehicles from the anchorage at Decker's Island back to the launch ramp at Brannan Island State Park, where the boat trailers had been left. We had a Chrysler 26 parked at the end of the raft-up, so everyone who was going - 19 people if I recall - piled onboard and we were off (motoring). The weight distribution was about 6 down in the cabin, 4 in the cockpit, and 9 up on the cabin roof. The top of the waterline stripe was about 4 inches below the surface. As we left the anchorage and got out into the river, where there were some waves, the boat started rolling quite a bit from all that weight up on the cabin roof, but the most interesting part was when we had to pass under the Three Mile Slough Bridge (a center-span lift bridge). The bridge operator was leaning out over the bridge railing, staring at us with an incredulous look on his face, and I remember thinking, "Uh Oh, he's got a VHF radio, I wonder if he's going to report us to the Coast Guard? He probably thinks we're a bunch of illegal immigrants being smuggled in". Sure enough, a two-man utility boat from Coast Guard Station Rio Vista came nosing around about 15 minutes later, but we had already disembarked at the launch ramp, so they didn't see anything and took off without stopping. Yes, we had all brought our own PFD's, so were legal in that respect, at least. Those were great cruises. We would launch the boats at Richmond, down in SF Bay, then bring all the trailers to Brannan Island in the Delta, then sail the boats 75 miles - all downwind - from the Bay back to Brannan Island. It has been 6 or 7 years since the last time we did one of those; the logistics of moving the trailers and carpooling all the skippers back and forth was always a problem, so interest in doing the River Run just faded away. I hope we can do it again some summer before I retire, but it really requires a couple of drivers with vans to move everyone. I guess this won't be a good year to try something like that anyway, with all the talk about $2.50/gallon gas by mid-summer.

Larry Charlot
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/24/2003 : 08:56:54

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As a former powerboater (yes, I had crossed over from the dark side several years ago!!!), there was usually a Coast Guard plate in the boat that indicated maximum capacities in terms of weight or persons that the boat was legally able to carry.

My Cat25 is my second sailboat - neither it nor my previous sailboat had any indication of the maximum capacities. Is there a listed max capacity somewhere?

Thanks!

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Your not going to find capacity listed on boats as old as ours. I do recall that the plate didn't become "law" until somewhere in the 80's, probably the late 80's. Ray's equation is the correct one...I have sailed with 10, but that was to watch the fireworks on the 4th. Go out, anchor, watch explosions, return. As for actual sailing, anything more than 6 is uncomfortable, anything more than 8 is insane.

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 02/24/2003 : 15:40:29

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Your not going to find capacity listed on boats as old as ours. I do recall that the plate didn't become "law" until somewhere in the 80's, probably the late 80's <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> You still will not find a capicity plate on newer sailboats. Mine does not have one!

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Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/24/2003 : 16:03:29

You still will not find a capicity plate on newer sailboats. Mine does not have one!

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Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major
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Actually Ray, your right, boats over 20 feet don't need them. Looks like sail boats don't either, (although I thought I remembered seeing one on a sailboat at the boat show?) I snatched the following off of the Coast Guard Web site:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>A Capacity Plate is only required on monohull boats less that 20 feet in length (except sail boats, canoes, kayaks and inflatable boats) for which construction began on or after 01NOV72. This is a Federal Requirement. The capacity information is to be supplied by the boat manufacturer. Also, it must be posted so it is visible by all passengers. [quote]

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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MattL
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Response Posted - 02/25/2003 : 02:12:39

Duane,
If sail boats don't need the placque, it must have been on a Mc Gregor<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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FK/SR _/)

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 12:34:18

The "trailersailer formula" is sleeps 4, feeds 6, drinks 8...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Rich Kokoska 1984 C25 SK/SR #4603 "Coolatta"

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