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TLJ
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Initially Posted - 02/24/2003 : 18:55:17

I am installing lazy jacks on my boat and was wondering if I could dissconnect the topping lift and just use the lazy jacks to hold the boom.THANKS ,TLJ

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jkountz
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Response Posted - 02/24/2003 : 21:26:23

Sure, but why?

The topping lift line might come in handy, for example, as a high attachment point for hauling someone on-board in a MOB drill.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/25/2003 : 15:50:47

It would seem to me that if your lazy jacks are holding the boom up as you drop the sail, they may be too taut to allow the sail to flake the way you want. But I don't know that--I don't have lazy jacks (yet).

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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PZell
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Response Posted - 03/01/2003 : 23:55:34

The Lazy Jacks might well hold up the boom, but I doubt if they could really function as a topping lift. The object of the topping lift, besides keeping the boom from dropping in the cockpit when the main is doused, is to give one some control over the boom when reefing. Part of the reefing sequence is raising and lowering the topping lift as the reef is hauled in.

Paul C25FK Sparky
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 03/02/2003 : 11:21:36

My buddy has lazy jacks on his Coronado 25. They are adjustable just like a topping lift. When sailing his boat we use the lazy jacks in the same manor that we use my c250's topping lift. If you install an adjustable lazy jack system you will not need a topping lift.

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There is a cleat on the starboard side of the boom (just like on my c250 for the topping lift) to adjust the lazy jacks. Notice the 2 blocks on the system.

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The lazy jacks also keeps the main from falling to the deck when lowering it.

Bryan Beamer
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Dragonfly
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Response Posted - 03/03/2003 : 14:20:19

I am rather new to all this, but I was looking at doing the same thing and decided on the Dutchman Flaking system vs. the lazy jacks. Is there any reason why you chose the lazy jack over the Dutchman system? My dealer rec. this for my boat, and I noticed that it is standard on Catalinas >25 ft. I only have 2 days sailing experience with the my new system, but no complaints so far.

C-250 WK #641
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 03/03/2003 : 23:43:10

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I have not seen the Dutchman Flaking system on the c250. I do know there are a couple of people that post on this form that do have it.

The difference are; the lazy jacks hold the boom up similar to the topping lift and as a add advantage it organizes the sail when raising and lowering.

The Dutchman Flaking system has small lines going from the boom thru the sail and attach to the topping lift (at least the c34 at my dock does) at 3 or 4 different locations. When the mainsail is lowered it flakes onto the boom.

My c250 does not have either, but if I had to choose I would go with the Dutchman Flaking system. I like the topping lift better for boom adjustment that the lazy jacks.

The problem I see with both systems, it makes it difficult to use a boom tent to shade the cockpit or to use the riding sail that Arlyn designed.

Bryan Beamer
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kirkh
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Response Posted - 03/05/2003 : 19:33:24

I have the Dutchman Flaking System on my wing keel. I think it does a great job. I think there is a difference in the topping lift arrangement though. I adjust the lift at the mast base. There is simply a line that goes to the top of a mast and has a block attached to it near the top of the mast.

From that top block to another block attached to the end of the boom, there is a line loop that the top of the flaking lines attach to. Mine has 2 flaking lines. You adjust the position of the flaking lines by rotating the line loop up or down. To raise the sail, you raise the flaking lines until they are straight up from the boom. You then lower the flaking lines slightly after the sail is up to allow the sail to fill without the flaking lines interferring with the sail shape. When you are ready to lower the sail, you rotate the line loop back up and lower the sail. The sail flakes nicely over the boom. When you put on the sail cover, you also rotate the line loop to lower the flaking lines. This allows you to put on the sail cover (the flaking lines go under the cover).

It took me a few times to get the hang of it but it is actually a very simple solution.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the sail itself has to be set up for it. There are holes in the sail the flaking lines run thru and there are 2 pockets sewn into the foot of the sail where the bottom of the flaking lines attach to the sail. I understand most sail lofts can do this work.

Kirk
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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 03/05/2003 : 23:57:27

Nope,
I was considering adding Lazy Jacks but I use a boom tent in conjunction with my bimini when at my slip or at Anchor...Can't do without the boom tent in Texas so forget the lazyjacks .......unless someone has a solution to do both?
steve

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Rob Poirier
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 09:10:17

Steve,
I installed the lazy jacks system I found in the C25 Tech Tips section and it works great. While at my slip everything is neatly under the sail cover so I can't see why you can't also have a boom tent at the same time.
Rob
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coldducks
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 12:42:12

we also have the dutchman flaking system on our 250wk. it works great. however we do not adjust anything on the system in raising or lowering the sails. the lines do not interfere with the sail at all. our sail cover has zippers and finished holes to allow the cover to fit on without lowering the flaking lines. all this was done at the time of purchase through our dealer. it makes dropping the sail so much easier. it just folds on itself on the way down. but of course nothing is perfet and i still think you have to pull on the end to straighten the sail as it folds over the boom.

COLDDUCKS
FANTASY #409 C250WK

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