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redeye
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Initially Posted - 03/09/2015 : 04:21:01

I've always wanted the smallest, lightest engine I could find for my little lake. and I've been using a 4 hp for some time now, as well as my 6 hp sailmaster that came with the boat. They have both died. they crank but have no power, I'm guessing the rings have finally worn out.
Anyhoo.. I'm ready for a 4 stroke. but worried about the storied of not cranking... the clogged carb jets stories...

So I go out Saturday to look for a new engine and decide I will look at as many dealers as I can in my area, determined to review more than an few and deciding never to purchase the first thing I see...

And the first dealer I get to has a 2013 4 hp longshaft Evinrude 4 stroke on the floor for under $1000.....

I measured 23 inches from the top of the transom to the foot plate, and my 1974 johnson 4 hp is 22 inches so I know the length is OK.

Natch I told him to hold it for me.. calling him today to make a deposit.. ( the owner was out and the Kids working asked me to wait till he was back in the store. )

So I went out and bought a new 3 gallon tank, and the new vent inline contraption, and new line and a fuel filter.

The tank and filter will fit into the fuel locker. I'll add a strap or two to hold the tank down.

Whaddya think???? Anyone got any info on the Evinrude 4 hp 2013??

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 03/09/2015 04:23:22

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:02:08

I think you lucked out and got a great deal on a motor that will run forever on a teacup full of gas! Congrats!

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:09:40

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Anyhoo.. I'm ready for a 4 stroke. but worried about the storied of not cranking... the clogged carb jets stories...

I don't have any info on the Evinrude. But as far as the clogged jets, the trick for me, on my Tohatsu, turned out to be disconnect the fuel line and run the motor out of fuel at the end of the day.

Once I started doing that I never had another carb issue.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:13:23

Thanks Steve.. I'm rather excited to be using a new and relatively light kicker. One Interesting design difference is you can pump the bulb from the external tank and it fills the internal tank, at least the merc 5 I was using earlier did this and it looks like it is the same design.

No spilling gas on a hot engine as you attempt to fill the tank in rough weather.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:13:39

Are you sure you need a water separator? One of the nice things about 4 cycle is that you can just put the gas in your car every couple of months and start over with fresh fuel. So you use it up before there's enough water to separate. With that, a little fuel stabilizer, and disconnecting/closing the vent on the fuel tank between uses, and I've never had a fuel problem. I also burn the gas out of the carb after every use.

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:18:22

<< turned out to be disconnect the fuel line and run the motor out of fuel at the end of the day. >>

That's what I have done for years with the 2 strokes..

But this engine has an internal tank and it looks like there is no way to cut off the fuel and run the carb dry..

The "Kids" at the dealer didn't know and they ask me to wait and talk with the dealer owner about this issue.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:21:10

Again I don't know about the Evinrude. But on my Honda dinghy motor, there is a fuel shut off valve for the internal tank. I close that and then continue to run the motor until the carb is out of fuel.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:22:23

<< Are you sure you need a water separator? >>

not so much a water issue as simply a good filter to keep any debris out of the carb jets. I like the big filter and I've used this product on a bigger boat for years. The dealers always have this size filter, when I went to West Marine and looked at the smaller fuel filters they were always more expensive and changed inventory every time I went in.

This fuel filter for big boat engines ( I think ) will always be in stock.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:34:38

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...a good filter to keep any debris out of the carb jets...

My Honda has a filter for this inside the engine housing. I replace it every year. My other 50 hp outboard has a metal screen filter that's integral to the fuel pump. I open it up and clean it every year.

You might want to check and make sure your outboard does not already have something built-in, if for no other reason than to see if it needs periodic maintenance.

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:35:52

<< I don't know about the Evinrude ( fuel Shut off ) >>

Yepper.... I kinda figured there had to be one but the kids couldn't find it and blew me off.. I was just trying to get as much information about the engine as I could and I think I tired they out...

They looked kinda hung over.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:40:49

<< disconnecting/closing the vent on the fuel tank between uses >>

No more vents on the new tanks ( external tanks ). Which is good, one less thing to worry about.

I'm sure there is still a vent on the internal tank.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:43:25

<< My Honda has a filter for this inside the engine housing. >>

another thing the "Kids" could not answer.. did it have an inline filter??? we couldn't find one.

I think I made their head hurt...

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:46:27

<< has a metal screen filter that's integral to the fuel pump. >>

Yep.. most have the screen inside the pump that you hafta look at although the screen is so big; I've never seen anything caught in one.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 05:50:11

<< you can just put the gas in your car every couple of months and start over with fresh fuel >>

Wouldn't that be nice.. however with a internal tank you can't drain the tank ( as far as I could tell ) and so you are using the same fuel you left in the internal tank..

Another question the "Kids" could not answer ( can you drain the internal tank )

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 06:44:56

Just spoke with the dealer and put a deposit on the engine. He was great and answered my questions and they are gonna have it ready for Saturday pickup...

Mostly he said the new carbs have smaller jets because the gas flows faster without oil in the fuel, the oil molecules being much bigger.

and the jets may clog but usually it's a bad fuel problem.. Stabilize and filter your fuel and you should not have any problems.

He says they have a drain on the carb now.

Anyhoo.. yehaw.. I've repowered my boat! More adventures....

Thanks everyone for their help and I'll try to give feedback on how this engine behaves..

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 03/09/2015 07:59:51

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 08:24:14

I sure will miss ol Blue...

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 08:53:17

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I close that and then continue to run the motor until the carb is out of fuel.

Simply remove the fuel hose, shut off the gas. Never had a problem with carb. However I do this because I'm not leaving the motor on the boat and laying it in the car's trunk during transport. I don't want all that expensive gas spilled

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 09:39:41

This the one? 20" Says the altenator is optional, Yes No?

E4RL4 59 lbs /
27 kgs 20" /
508 mm
Color: blue
Gear Ratio: 2.15:1
Starting Method: Rope
Trim Method: Manual Trim
Steering: Tiller
Common Elements
Limited Warranty 3 Years
Engine type 1
Displacement 7.5 cu in/123 cc
Recommended fuel 87 Octane
Emissions compliance CARB 3 Star, U.S EPA
Recommended Oil NMMA Certified FC-W� 4-stroke oil** SAE 10W-30/40 (SF, SG, SH, SJ)
Propshaft HP 4 HP
Full Throttle RPM Range 4500-5500 RPM
Alternator output Optional: 12V, 60W, 5A
Fuel induction Carbureted
Lubrication Sump
Bore x Stroke 2.32 x 177 in / 59 x 45 mm

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 11:32:54

Yepper.. that should be the one.. I didn't see an electrical connection for the alternator. I don't have the SN yet but I'm pretty sure that's the one. Just as small and simple as I could get away with.. The locals here kinda consider this a racing engine, cause they use it to get out and then take it off and put it in the bilge while they race.

I don't use electrical power, either from the dock or the engine, just with the solar charger.

$200 under the dealer cost ( listed for 2015) makes me uneasy... but it appears he has had it on the floor as a display model for a while ( 2013 ).. ready to get it out of there. I know the dealer and they have been around forever and I trust them. They mostly make their money on big bass boats and service. Always been a good repair place. I'm guessing nobody wanted it as you could get a 6 HP online for the same price ( and weight ) and most would want an alternator...

Anyhoo... You pays your money and you takes your chances...

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 03/09/2015 12:14:09

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Response Posted - 03/09/2015 : 20:20:12

Even with an internal tank, it should have a fuel cut-off, either on the front or on the side.

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Response Posted - 03/10/2015 : 04:02:11

<< it should have a fuel cut-off, either on the front or on the side >>

The online diagram I found for the engine ( and it looks like it might be a 2012 ) shows the fuel cutoff before a "t" valve that adds the extra external tank...

So it looks like I can disconnect the external tank, and cutoff the fuel line and run the carb dry.. SWEET!!!

And to continue my due diligence on this engine.. Does anybody have a particular manual they recommend?? and where I can buy it?

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 03/10/2015 10:49:39

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Response Posted - 03/11/2015 : 07:58:32

So.. I can put White Gas ( Coleman Fuel ) in the internal tank and regular non-ethanol gas in the external tank. I can turn on the fuel shutoff and disconnect the external tank and use the white gas as my "starter" fuel, then connect the external tank and cut off the fuel line and use the regular gas as my running fuel..

At then end of the journey disconnect the external tank and let the engine run dry and I'm ready for my next outing without clogging the carb jets....

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/11/2015 : 09:03:19

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So.. I can put White Gas ( Coleman Fuel ) in the internal tank

???????!! What for. That white gas is nothing but purified alcohol. I doubt the engine would run on it and might do damage. I would just disconnect the internal tank at the fuel line Tee and cap it off. Have the engine run on the external tank only. This way you can simply disconnect the fuel line at the external connector on the side of the cowling and let the engine run out of fuel. Ethanol gas is gasoline with 10% corn alcohol mixed in. The alcohol attracts moisture. Not what you want your fuel to do.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Edited by - islander on 03/11/2015 09:36:03

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Response Posted - 03/11/2015 : 10:07:31

"White gas" (Coleman fuel) is a petroleum product--basically naptha, as I recall--not gasoline. Whatever it is, I wouldn't count on it having the proper octane, and it might void your warranty.

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Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/11/2015 10:36:33

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Response Posted - 03/11/2015 : 10:26:16

<< I wouldn't count on it having the proper octane, and it might void your warranty. >>

Yep.. but it cranks.. burns slower and at a lower temp ( lower Octane )

I've used it in my 4 stroke lawnmowers all my life and in my 2 strokes ( a blend ) It essentially burns slower and fires at a lower compression so the engine might diesel when it gets hot ( fire before the spark plug??? )

The lawnmowers will sometime not cut off and continue running...

So anyhoo... I would not recommend you or anyone else using it.. but It has made my lawnmowers and small outboards start easily for years.

And now I can use it easily as my "Starter Fluid" in this setup.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 03/11/2015 10:27:05

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Response Posted - 03/11/2015 : 10:39:47

funny things people do..

That's like the Big Evinrude 2 stroke 225hp we have.. If nobody's used it in 6 months to a year when you first take it out I remove the plugs and spray them with starter fluid to clean the residual oil off them and spray some in the cylinder just before putting the plug back in..

She Starts right up...

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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