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britinusa
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Initially Posted - 03/14/2015 : 05:21:23

Florida Closing the Boder
If you want to bring your boat to Florida and Anchor it overnight then help stop SB 1548

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 05:46:39

You peasants can still anchor in Florida.......

Just not within 200' of my $ 3,000,000.00 water front estate......

Kidding aside, if you live in Florida please get ready to fight senate bill 1548.

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 06:08:53

Holy wow... so no recreational anchoring... cause where exactly are there areas "undeveloped." I thought you guys were over-reacting... but you are right, the $3mill home owners don't want your $4000 plug (or mine) anchored out front "destroying" their view. How silly.

Link to bill.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2015/1548/BillText/Filed/HTML

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Edited by - shnool on 03/14/2015 06:11:29

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 06:24:05

I haven't fished in years, but I guess I just became a fisherman:

3.#8195;Vessels involved in active construction activities, 61 active dredging, or active recreational fishing.

Apparently, if I have a couple of lines in the water I'm good to stay.....

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 06:39:20

I just was reading about this. The thought is that if Fla. passes this ridiculous law that it opens the way for other states to follow...

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 08:22:22

I'll just pull up in front of your $3M estate and push the button for my Dynamic Positioning System... No anchor needed.

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 08:52:40

<< Active recreational fishing >>

SO none of that passive fishing... Good luck.. I've don't think I've ever done any of that active fishing until after a few hours of the passive stuff....

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 03/14/2015 08:52:59

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 09:12:27

I'm not in favor of individual states regulating anchoring in navigable waters, but the federal government has abandoned their responsibility to regulate in that area. Dropping an anchor 200 feet from the mean high water mark in 10 feet of water isn't all that onerous since swinging could put you close to 100 feet. I noticed, however, that the actual anchoring point isn't defined. Is it the location of the anchor as we would describe it or the varying location of the boat as the lubbers would? What constitutes an "extended period of time" in lines 72-74? Derelict boats are a big problem in Florida, but this law won't have much impact on that.

An anchorage shouldn't be closed because a developer bought the surrounding land, but airports and racetracks have been shut down after lengthy court battles when once vacant land around them was developed. All we can do is fight it as long as possible.

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Edited by - Dave5041 on 03/14/2015 09:23:49

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 11:29:50

Note the bill has the heading:

quote:

An act relating to vessel safety; amending s. 327.02,
3 F.S.; defining terms; creating s. 327.4107, F.S.;
4 specifying how vessels may be anchored or moored on
5 waters of the state; amending s. 327.73, F.S.;
6 providing a noncriminal infraction; amending s.
7 327.391, F.S.; conforming a cross-reference; providing
8 an effective date.

The title is misleading (I wonder why?)

It does not specify 'how vessels may be anchored or moored'

But it does specify 'where' vessels may be anchored or moored!!!

Please share my facebook link with anyone that you know takes their boat out overnight!

with 6 degrees of separation, we should be able to reach the world pretty quickly.

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 11:57:55

Paul,
My wife and I agree with the poster. We'll make it a point not to anchor in FL. --EVER --
But Scott, you make a good point. Today I can anchor off the coast of Greenwich CT - AKA the Gold Coast... (Where Goldman Sachs and Hedge Fund chairmen call home) If FL succeeds, it won't be too long til we see other states pulling this cr@p!
1% - 1 zillion, 99% - 0

Bruce Ross
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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 13:36:19

Bruce, I hope that was being sarcastic!

We're only a short dash down to New York then you can cruise the ditch all the way here!

Paul

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Response Posted - 03/14/2015 : 22:27:16

quote:
Originally posted by Voyager

...Today I can anchor off the coast of Greenwich CT - AKA the Gold Coast... (Where Goldman Sachs and Hedge Fund chairmen call home)

Don't count on that! You can't even drop the hook at noon a hundred yards off Great Captain's Island off Greenwich without being chased by the local gendarmes! Don't even try...

And forget about anchoring inside of Greenwich Point!

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Response Posted - 03/15/2015 : 06:17:49

Gee Dave I go to Great Captain a few times a season, I never had a problem. Your talking about the north west side, There are boats anchored there all the time. Greenwitch Cove is another story. Very skinny water outside the mooring field although I have done it on the north side of the mooring balls when I had my powerboat. Just had to tilt the drive at low tide

Don't think I would try it with the sailboat.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 03/15/2015 : 08:10:35

I guess the Greenwich cops have softened up. They used to be very protective of their residents-only beach out there--you'd get turned away as you approached the island. Ask them what jurisdiction they thought they had, and you'd wish you'd kept your mouth shut. I only heard about friends' experiences back when I lived nearby in Darien--never tested it myself. Darien's Ziegler's Cove was a whole nuther story--wall-to-wall NY boats on summer evenings!

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Response Posted - 03/15/2015 : 11:12:55

I just looked on Google maps at Great Captains Isl. On the satellite image you can see all the boats anchored up on the north side. If you look to east to the next island (Island Beach) you can see boats backed up to the beach. Ziegler's Cove was one of my favorites. Spent 5 great days there but on a return trip the following year we were forced to leave do to the little black fly's eating us alive. Funny that they weren't there on our 5 day stay. Sara now calls it 'Fly Cove' and we haven't been back since.

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Response Posted - 03/16/2015 : 07:20:29

I think yall should start condemning all condos that block the view of the natural landscape.......

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 03/16/2015 : 07:43:23

back on topic.

If the anchoring laws are implemented due to lack of response from boaters contacting their senators, then do you think we will get a reduction in the Annual Boat Registration Fees?

If the law prevents anchoring, will the government offer supplements to offset the enforced mooring fees or marina slip fees?

Paul

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Response Posted - 03/16/2015 : 08:11:45

I wouldn't hold my breath Paul... Knowing Gov. ways of thinking they probably will raise the fees to cover the added cost of new boats and manpower to enforce the law. Can't expect the existing personnel to take on more responsibilities. Remember these people work for the Gov. Not the private sector.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Edited by - islander on 03/16/2015 08:17:31

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Response Posted - 03/16/2015 : 10:00:12

When I look at the Florida Senate web site, it claims that the bill is in committee. Does anyone know which committee and who is on it?

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Response Posted - 03/17/2015 : 09:43:06

quote:
Originally posted by britinusa

Bruce, I hope that was being sarcastic!

We're only a short dash down to New York then you can cruise the ditch all the way here!

Paul - Funny you should say that, my contract in Miami may start up again in time for summer, so a friend quipped, "why not just start out May 1 and sail the 1200 miles to Miami? It'll give you a nice place to stay and something to do on weekends!"

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Response Posted - 03/17/2015 : 09:57:15

... back on topic: [IMHO]
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but well-to-do snowbirds and locals in Florida who own high-priced waterfront property have a very strong voice in local politics in FL since they vote with their campaign contributions and personal relationships.
As we are all aware, money influence far outweighs public opinion most of the time (even when boaters and anglers lobby or write their politicians en masse).
Then, if you get a bunch of influential waterfront owners letting their money talk to the politicos, versus the "great unwashed" parking their derelict scows in front of these beautiful showpiece homes, the outcome is quite predictable.
And being politicians, they can spin the story exactly that way. The non-boating public would likely agree given that argument.
Lastly couch it in misleading terms such as vessel safety and make the backup extremely technical citing chapter and verse of some obscure state statutes (AKA = VERY BORING!), and you can make any laws you want!
[/IMHO]

Bruce Ross
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Response Posted - 03/17/2015 : 13:31:28

Sadly Bruce, I totally agree!

IMHO, other politicians trade, eg. Dean, if I vote to support your bill on Boat Safety, will you support my bill to add touch screens to parking permits with Brail?

I do hope (not worth a lot), that local politicians actually have the guts to listen to their community and respond.

Horse trading is fine for horses, it sucks in Politics.

We only stand a chance if we try to make a difference.

So we have to try, try and try again.

Paul

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Response Posted - 03/17/2015 : 14:19:18

Came across another bit of info:

article by Wally Moran:

http://theboatgalley.com/another-florida-anchoring-threat/

He suggests that even if you don't live in Florida, write some of our legislators about your concerns about bringing your boat to the state and these possible new regulations.

SSCA link to legislators on EPA and Waterway committees:

http://www.ssca.org/downloads/ccc/SSCA_Anchoring_brochure.pdf

Please help if you can and possibly write to the chairman of each committee.

Davy J

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Response Posted - 03/19/2015 : 20:07:56

Fighting this is the best plan, but I think that it will have to go the same route that the million dollar homes and hotels went when they blocked all access to the beaches. This had to go to federal court, but we won and they had to knock down their walls and make walkways to beach for the common folk. Now when someone builds new, they have to provide public access. They tried to extend their property lines to the waters edge, that is what got them.

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Edited by - frog0911 on 03/19/2015 20:08:44

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Response Posted - 03/20/2015 : 05:10:15

Here is an article from Keys info net:

http://www.keysnet.com/2015/03/18/501797_proposed-state-bill-would-push.html?rh=1

A couple of the quotes are interesting:

"Marathon would lose out and a lot of vessels would not be able to stay in the city," Cannon said. They'd have to go to Key West or somewhere else because we wouldn't have room for them. Businesses would lose a lot of money too, because most of my customer like to go out and eat."

Marathon Planning Director George Garret is expected to write a letter to the city's lobbying firms urging state officials to grandfather in the 50-foot bumper that exists in Marathon.

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Response Posted - 03/26/2015 : 13:43:34

DATE CHAMBER ACTION
3/26/2015 Senate � On Committee agenda-- Environmental Preservation and Conservation, 03/31/15, 1:30 pm, 37 Senate Office Building

That's this coming Tuesday.

Don't Panic!

What the heck PANIC! HIT FACEBOOK, TWITTER, YOUR LOCAL SAILING CLUB
REPEAT!
(THAT MEANS DO IT AGAIN)

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