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michael.anda
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Initially Posted - 03/24/2016 : 09:07:21

Need to move newly purchased C-25 from one marina to another and figured a half day sail in bay would be fun while I'm at it. Anyone interested and avaiable?

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 09:28:28

What rate of pay should I expect to pay for about 5 hours? I could be available this coming Sunday thru Tuesday as well. My preferred dates mentioned in the subject line are to accommodate a few guests schedules.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 18:15:08

"Rate of pay"?? Who pays whom??

Sorry I'm not around...

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 19:35:28

Where is your point of departure and your destination? Someone in the area might be interested if they know more about your plan.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
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michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:11:32

Downtown Bradenton to Cut's Edge Harbor Marina. North of Snead Island's bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cut's+Edge+Harbor+Marina+Inc/@27.5246898,-82.6084557,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x5594be0ed6c3efe9

Would love to sail along Anna Maria island and up towards Tierra Verde then back east and back around to Cut's Edge. Cut's Edge needs boat by 2:30 pm to lift boat from water before they close at 4:30 pm. Sunday can probably be arranged by mooring boating temporarily at marina slip in water for a day.

Also looking to get boat down to Fort Myers Beach sometime in next 2 to 4 weeks after new dock and lift get installed.

Edited by - michael.anda on 03/24/2016 20:26:23

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:24:19

Boat's keel has been left in down position by previous owner. He noticed some rust developing on the swing keel and didn't want to mess with it. The dry dock time will be used for this maintenance, bottom paint, and the running lights will get some attention as well.

Anything else those in the know here would do while the boat is out of the water?

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:35:13

Left down... for how long? When was the cable last replaced? If the answer is "nobody knows", you have a situation. If you raise the keel and the cable or its attachment breaks, the falling 1500 lbs will crack the hull. (Rust on the keel is superfluous--it's a huge hunk of solid cast iron, but the cable and its attachment are another matter.)

What to do.......? If it's a complete unknown, I might have the marina lift her out with the keel down, and inspect the cable before doing anything. If it looks sound, winch it up as they lower the boat, so even if it falls it might not hurt anything except what's below it. Then make replacing the cable (see Catalina Direct) your top priority before you lift or launch the boat.

Best of luck, and welcome to the best model-specific sailboat community on the web!

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/24/2016 20:40:28

michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:39:38

Thanks, I'll forward this info to the repair person and the marine. The previous owner had the cable replaced once and when he saw signs of distress he simply left the keel down and sailed her that way. I have no information on the timeline. I don't think he owned the boat more than 4-5 years though. The model year is 1981.

Edited by - michael.anda on 03/24/2016 20:40:11

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:42:24

Other SK owners can weigh in on cable replacement schedules in salt water, but I suspect 4-5 years is past due.

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:50:10

OK, I forgot one possibility... If, like the P.O., you have no need to raise the keel (ever), then I suppose you can ignore my suggestions and leave it down. Just realize that cranking it up (in or out of the water) can be a very real threat to the boat. Many have sunk, or suffered serious damage, from falling swing keels, and significant structural repairs have been required.

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:54:45

It's cheap insurance, and you'll have the boat out anyway. Get the whole kit from CD and replace it all.

Tim M
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michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 20:58:03

My slip at our residence has perhaps a water depth of 4', or less even, at low tide I'm told. Also, my boat lift as configured needs the keel up.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2016 : 21:10:05

OK, keel up... Thinking, thinking..... Let's say you run a rope under the boat from port to starboard (lower it at the bow and walk it aft), and as you crank up the keel pull it back against the keel and cleat it on both sides of the cockpit. As you continue to crank, tighten the rope, and tension it one last time before lifting her out. Then you should be protected from a fall.

However, then you need to be able to lower the keel and inspect (and probably replace) the cable--whether on stands or whatever. Be aware the the boat should never be put down so that its weight is supported by the raised keel--that can crack the top of the keel trunk. Stands, trailer stanchions, or whatever, should support the hull, and the keel should be lowered onto something that supports part of its weight. That's how you'll be able to deal with the cable, which as mentioned, is a standard periodic maintenance item.

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

Davy J
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Response Posted - 03/25/2016 : 06:44:36

I am currently not available next week but will mention a few things. If you are leaving from either Twin Dolphin Marina or Regatta Point Marina, your plan to sail down along Anna Maria and then up to Terra Verde and back to Terra Ceia Bay and into Cut's Harbor might be a litle ambitious. Loose calculations, but Leaving from either of those marinas, traveling down the Manatee River and then back into Terra Ceia Bay and to Cut's will probably be a minimum of three hours, most likely more.

Also, with the keel down you will need to follow the channel at the mouth of the Manatee River exactly. It's very shallow on both sides and the markers are a little bit confusing. I have not entered Terra Ceia Bay but imagine it's about the same.

Just another question, why are you installing a lift? With proper maintenance, the boat can stay in the water without problems. I had my C25 ten years, it lived in the water the whole time. Even resting on the bottom at some low, low tides.

Good luck with the journey, if my schedule changes I may be able to help.

Davy J

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michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/25/2016 : 09:15:01

Thanks, Davy J. More interested in Tierra Verde at this time.

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Response Posted - 03/25/2016 : 17:26:39

Definitely replace the keel cable; don't mess around with inspecting it and you'll know how old it is next time, CD has turning balls, part of the refit, but my local rigger made my cable for a lot less. If your keel has an eye bolt cable attachment, replace it with CD's upgrade. Unknown age or 5 years is to long. I would replace it every 2-3 years in permanent salt water. Having it out of the water on a lift will help, but I still wouldn't go over 4-5 years. Zincs on the keel. I might also replace the bolts on the pivot assembly. Inspecting the pivot bar and the hole in the keel makes sense since you're lifting out anyway.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
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michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/28/2016 : 15:14:39

Okay, no skippers to be found here. Where else can a skipper be found?

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/28/2016 : 15:58:15

Why do you need a skipper? Are you unsure of your ability to rig and sail the new-to-you boat, or are you concerned about your ability to navigate the IC Waterway? If we understand your goals, we might be able to be more helpful.

I googled "sailing lessons tampa st pete" and found a list of sailing schools in the area, some of which might offer private instruction on your own boat. Check this link. https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=A011US0&p=sailing lessons tampa st pete

I also found a Groupon website that appears to have some good deals for some lessons and cruises. Maybe one of those deals might meet your needs. Check this link. https://www.groupon.com/local/tampa/sailing?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=us_dt_sea_ggl_txt_txn_sr_cbp_ch1_nbr_k sailing%20lessons%20tampa_m p_d tampa-fl-Pull-Geocat_g PullCat-Sailing-PHRASE_c 70275858061_ap 1o2&gclid=CjwKEAjwrOO3BRCX55-L9_WojHoSJAAPxcSPAi5jzG-1ATIJ7MbnVTaflcH6jKJVXq7p1Q3X9wZJOBoCS8Dw_wcB

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
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michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 09:29:23

I have no skills. Boats like guys with skills.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 10:13:35

That's ok. We all started out that way.

I'd suggest you take a beginning sailing course from one of the
sailing schools in the area. I took lessons almost 40 years ago
from Annapolis Sailing School in St. Pete. Any good ASA sailing
school can teach you the basic skills in a weekend. Google "sailing lessons tampa st pete" for a list.
(I removed the link in my previous post that didn't work right, to restore the formatting of this thread.

Next, you should join a local sailing club. You can probably find
one by asking the folks at your local Westmarine store. As a
member of a club, you can meet other local sailors, some of whom
are likely to share what they know with you, and perhaps sail with
you and help you expand your skills. It doesn't have to be
expensive. The annual dues at my club are $60. per year.

In addition to learning to sail the boat, you will also need to
learn how to navigate the waterways in the area. It's not
difficult, once you learn the basics. It's really similar to
driving on highways, except you don't have painted lines to guide
you.

My advice is, don't waste your time and money hiring a skipper.
Take lessons, and then you can sail whenever you wish, without
hiring someone to help you.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/30/2016 06:27:05

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 12:47:14

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby

...(My apology if I screwed up the format of this thread. If anyone can fix it, feel free. I tried.)

Steve, if you edit your post with the huge URL, try the following:

1. Change the Format Mode at the top of the edit box to Prompt.
2. Copy the URL to the clipboard, and then delete it from the post.
3. In its place, type something describing what the URL is for, and highlight that text.
4. Click

on the Format bar, and Paste the URL from the clipboard into the text box that appears.

That makes your description text a "hot link" to the now invisible URL.

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/29/2016 12:48:37

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 13:36:27

quote:
Originally posted by Stinkpotter

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby

...(My apology if I screwed up the format of this thread. If anyone can fix it, feel free. I tried.)

Steve, if you edit your post with the huge URL, try the following:

1. Change the Format Mode at the top of the edit box to Prompt.
2. Copy the URL to the clipboard, and then delete it from the post.
3. In its place, type something describing what the URL is for, and highlight that text.
4. Click on the Format bar, and Paste the URL from the clipboard into the text box that appears.

That makes your description text a "hot link" to the now invisible URL.

I tried it 3-4 times (to make sure I followed the instructions) and got this error message: "This site can’t be reached

https’s server DNS address could not be found."

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
Past Commodore

Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/29/2016 13:38:25

michael.anda
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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 14:03:47

I will definitely be working on getting skills'. Right now the boat is 2 hours away and getting 10 miles to the receiving marina seems daunting. I've never dealt with currents or tides and haven't even landed a boat anywhere but on a boat lift in smallish fresh water lakes. One way or another, though, boat needs to be out of slip this Thursday. I have insurance. :-)

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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 14:15:48

quote:
Originally posted by michael.anda

I will definitely be working on getting skills'. Right now the boat is 2 hours away and getting 10 miles to the receiving marina seems daunting. I've never dealt with currents or tides and haven't even landed a boat anywhere but on a boat lift in smallish fresh water lakes. One way or another, though, boat needs to be out of slip this Thursday. I have insurance. :-)

You'd have lots of offers of assistance from us if we lived in that area, but we're spread all over the US. Have you tried asking your marina operator if he knows of any local sailors who might be willing to help you? Also, ask the marina operator if he has a bulletin board where you can post a notice asking for assistance. You might do the same in your local Westmarine Store. I've seen bulletin boards in some of them.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 18:17:09

Yup--Cut's Edge appears to have a fair number of sailors--I'll but a bunch of them are retired and at least some would enjoy giving you a hand. Sailors are that way! The C-25 is a very simple, straightforward sailboat to any sailor who has handled boats above 20'. From what I've seen, you especially want someone who knows the water in that area--meaning depths, tides and currents, particularly approaching Cut's Edge. Maybe you could also ask around the nearby Bradenton Yacht Club. Again, sailors like to help and teach sailors.

Now, my chart seems to be saying the 13th Street Bridge between the Manatee River and the marina is fixed with 12.8' vertical clearance. But I see some fair-sized sailboats in Cut's Edge. How does that work?

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/29/2016 18:19:32

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Response Posted - 03/29/2016 : 18:23:41

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby

I tried it 3-4 times (to make sure I followed the instructions) and got this error message: "This site can’t be reached
https’s server DNS address could not be found."

Puzzling Steve... At what point do you get that?

(Sorry if this is a hyjack, but a resolution might help in both the short and long term.

)

Dave Bristle
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now departed from Mystic, CT, and boatless for the first time since 1970.

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