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Initially Posted - 03/15/2003 :  10:08:53  Show Profile
I know the WKs come with one. Why don't the WBs? Can one be added to a WB?

Arlyn? Any advice?

Thanks.

Tray
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/15/2003 :  11:04:13  Show Profile  Visit Arlyn Stewart's Homepage
As to why the w/b aren't equipped, I don't know. Sometimes it would be nice to have a pipeline to Catalina thought. There could be several reasons, it might be as simple as Catalina buying a large lot of the integrated mounts that provide the center board retract line roller and mainsheet block support. Maybe when that supply is used up, they will change.

This has been talked about at least once but it may have been on the old forum. If I recall correct, there was a mixed response to the effectiveness of the traveler on the wing leaving the cost and trouble of an upgrade up in the air. I have not added one based on those repsonses.

One area that the response was positive was the ability to clear the main sheet for easier access to the cabin. My take on that was it wasn't a good enough reason to add the traveler...especially if its a tit for tat deal as it would effect the cushions and the nice seating ability of the cockpit. My boat doesn't have the stern rail seats...so my best seats in the house use the sloped cabin bulkhead for a backrest. I've been very intentional not to install instruments or whatever to mess with that prime real estate. I've really not had any problems or complaints with the mainsheet centered and getting in and out of the cabin. In fact, the sheet always being there has become a standard hand grab for entering and leaving.

What I did do was double the purchase on the vang, taking it from a 4:1 to an 8:1 by installing a wire block and short piece of wire rope. This gives much of the effect of the traveler and very simple and cheap to add. It and a modification to the Garhauer block/cam to correct the lead angle of the vang sheet have made vang sheeting very easy.

Lets hear it one more time from the wingers as to what their thoughts are.

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Response Posted - 03/17/2003 :  17:45:31  Show Profile
The traveler on the wk is not very long, it does work. It is very hard to tighten under load. It is a 1 to 1 ratio. To be more effective it should at least be a 2 to 1. You can ease it okay. I don't use it much. The biggest plus as Arlyn mentioned it does get the main sheet out of the center of the companionway. One could be added I don't think it would be that hard. IMHO it would be on the list of what I would like to do. Not the what must be done list.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 03/17/2003 :  20:53:19  Show Profile
The main advantage in the traveller is the ability to spill air (ie, reduce force and heeling) in heavy air. You can maintain optimal sail shape that will help keep the boat flatter at max push. If you are not a racer, the only real advantage would be to move the mainsheet out of the way. But to a race, that adjustment can mean seconds.

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Response Posted - 03/18/2003 :  23:45:54  Show Profile
I use my traveler a lot, when adjusted all the way out it takes 5 degress of heel out, so it will reduce a 20 degree heel to 15 degrees, this is important to the Admiral and when racing, as stated..you can maintain sail shape and maximize the heel to create a fast waterline. the adjustment is quick and simple...I would not do without mine,
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Response Posted - 03/19/2003 :  06:47:52  Show Profile
Would any of you WKs mind posting your track length?

Tray
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 03/19/2003 :  12:25:51  Show Profile
I don't have a measurement for it but here is a picture you can look at. I had to doctor the picture a little to focus on the traveler. It is as long as the step going into the companionway.

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Response Posted - 03/20/2003 :  20:53:46  Show Profile
Bryan,

Did those coaming winches come standard with the WK too? They look really handy.

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Response Posted - 03/20/2003 :  22:24:10  Show Profile
No, they were added 2 years later.
Check out these 2 links about the coaming winches

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2804

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3038


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