Association Forum - Sailing in Another Economic Universe

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

General Sailing Forum

Sailing in Another Economic Universe

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Member Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Initially Posted - 09/03/2017 : 15:08:34

I had to run this video a few times (on full-screen)...

The Big Js.

The boats look classic--the spars and sails a little less so.

Imagine losing the forestay on a rig with a 170' mast!

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/03/2017 15:09:45

panhead1948
Captain

Members Avatar

345 Posts

Response Posted - 09/06/2017 : 18:45:16

To me that is what sailboat racing is all about. I wonder what a Main and Headsail costs?

vipermagic
1st Mate

Members Avatar

USA
69 Posts

Response Posted - 09/06/2017 : 18:48:48

I worked with a guy this summer who made some sails for Velsheda and Ranger. He said they were about $200-250k for a main and $150-200k for a jib.

79 C25 #1433 SR/FK - 'Carina' - Destroyed by Sandy
84 C25 #3817 TR/SK
Cleveland, OH

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Response Posted - 09/07/2017 : 06:50:38

Whew--asked and answered! "Another economic universe!"

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1776 Posts

Response Posted - 09/07/2017 : 19:48:12

Guess they don't use Rolly Tasker sails! But watching them sail is a beautiful sight!

Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT

Steve Milby
Past Commodore

Members Avatar

USA
5902 Posts

Response Posted - 09/08/2017 : 04:08:02

This article tells the story of how the J Class yachts were saved from oblivion, and the lady who made it happen. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/28/sport/j-class-mainsail-elizabeth-meyer/index.html

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
Past Commodore

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Response Posted - 09/09/2017 : 19:26:31

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby...the lady who made it happen.

I've read about her before--regarding Thomas Lipton's Shamrock V, which I saw in St. Michaels harbor and of which I have a model in my living room. The Js do seem like the pinnacle of what is meant by the term "sailboat"--nothing else quite matches their proportions, form and grace! But boy are they BIG! Shamrock's mast was visible from miles away driving on the Eastern Shore. Their proportions are so perfect that with a photo or model you have to see a human crew aboard in order to have any idea of their size. (I believe the minimum racing crew is typically 30.)

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Steve Milby
Past Commodore

Members Avatar

USA
5902 Posts

Response Posted - 09/09/2017 : 20:16:57

I read an article about one of the Js many years ago, and it said it raced with a crew of 60 professional seamen. It said the spinnaker pole was attached to the mast 14 feet above the deck, and the spinnaker was, at that time, the largest sail ever made. It's difficult to imagine setting a pole that must have been enormous and rigging and hoisting a spinnaker that size.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
Past Commodore

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Response Posted - 09/10/2017 : 08:34:32

I don't remember where I picked up the "minimum 30" number--maybe from discussions of the (relatively casual) races in Newport a couple of weeks ago... But I could well imagine that today's versions are rigged for more safety and ease-of-use. (Back in the day, some people called the Js giant killing machines. Rigging that pole could have contributed...) You look at historic photos of the Js racing, and there's a sea of tiny humans all over the decks! If you lined up 30 of them on the windward rail, they wouldn't cover half of the length of most of the Js.

It takes a special breed to work the foredeck on that beast!

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1776 Posts

Response Posted - 09/15/2017 : 19:22:12

The "J's" are beautiful vessels. I can see where the Atlantic's, (Starling Burgess design) and Olympic Class (Luders design) got their roots. I still believe such boats in smaller (under 30 ft) proportion would sell today.

Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.