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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/26/2003 :  13:34:41  Show Profile
Don,

I'm not sure, but believe that the upper shrouds are not wired into the spreaders at the factory. I believe that is done by the dealer, when the boat is commissioned. For example, my shrouds were never wired into the spreaders until I did it myself, and I had to drill the wire holes in the spreader. Commissioning is the dealer's responsibility, not the manufacturer's.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/26/2003 :  14:41:06  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
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This whole sorry episode points out a really Mickey-Mouse feature to the C-25. Why is the shroud attached to the spreader with wire? I just wired mine to my new mast and spreaders and thought the whole time "there's gotta be a better way." How about a new cap design with a strap over the end? Lowell??

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Bruce -

I've sailed 45 foot boats and that is how the shroud attaches. With the proper tension, the shroud should never come out of the groove on your spreader. The wire should only act like a cotter pin, the pin doesn't keep the bolt from turning nor does it hold the load, it instead just keeps the nut from backing off the bolt. Same concept with the wire. The shroud should still be able to move within the groove, just not jump off the track.

DW

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MattL
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Response Posted - 03/26/2003 :  14:44:56  Show Profile
Steve,
Building something that doesn't fall apart is the manufactures responsibility.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/26/2003 :  15:43:01  Show Profile
Matt,

When you buy a bicycle, it comes in pieces, and you have to put it together yourself, unless you pay extra to have the dealer assemble it. If the dealer assembles the bike incorrectly, that isn't the manufacturer's fault.

When a new boat is shipped from the manufacturer to the dealer, it isn't fully assembled. That has to be done by the dealer or by the owner. If the dealer fails to do it properly, that isn't the builder's responsibility. The builder provided a complete boat that won't fall apart, if the person who commissions it puts it together properly. Some dealers figure the cost of commissioning into the purchase price of the boat, but some dealers charge extra for commissioning, because some buyers know enough to be able to commission their own boats.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/26/2003 :  20:29:15  Show Profile
Steve,

I wasn't implying that the upper shrouds came wired from the factory, I was trying to imply that some sort of mechanical device(wires, cotter pin, screws...etc) is needed to prevent the shroud from detaching itself from the spreader endcap.

On my last boat, a piece of plastic and two screws held the shroud to the spreader.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/26/2003 :  21:54:04  Show Profile
Marko,

I'm not positive, but I believe someone on the forum once stated that they had a mast welded and it may be an option worth exploring for you. Make some calls to local shipyards to see if it is possible in your case.

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markolito
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Response Posted - 03/28/2003 :  12:02:45  Show Profile
doing some research found out what you all meant by wire..
I never had this wire... Ultimately it could have saved my mast.

Consider this a wake up call to all of you that do not have this little (simple) insurance.

Take care - thanks again for your help

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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 03/28/2003 :  14:57:56  Show Profile
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> As I type this, my new set of spreader brackets is sitting in a box by my feet. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Buzz: Did you get those from Catalina Direct?

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markolito
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Response Posted - 03/28/2003 :  19:42:18  Show Profile
no i got them from the manuals on the association site!

they have just about everything covered..

http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/manbro.html


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