Association Forum - Jib Jib Jib

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

Catalina 250 Specific Forum

Jib Jib Jib

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

Oscar
Master Marine Consultant

Member Avatar

USA
2030 Posts

Initially Posted - 03/29/2003 : 10:37:51

Next up on the list is the furling Jib.

Installation needs to be cleaned up for estehetics as well as speed of rigging during launch.
The furler came with two shackles on the drum, and a halyard, one side too long, one side too short. (the too long side has been amputated, and tied to the too short side as a temporary tail untill the jib goes up)
First thing will be to splice a thimble in the (now shortened) end that attaches to the head, with a speedy shackle. The braided line splicing kit and the thimble are in the mail from WestMarine.
Then the tricky part. My thought now is to also splice a thimble into the halyard end that comes down (the little tail that comes out of the track) and to shackle that to the drum.
Then I was thinking of installing a small fiddle and fiddle with cleat (say for 1/4 inch line) between the tack and the drum. also with shackles for quick installation.
I would raise the jib, remove the temporary tail that comes down, shackle the halyard to the drum, and then shackle the pulley to the tack and the drum, and tighten as necessary. (four shackles, quick pull, battabam!)
One major added benefit is that I could change luff tension with one short trip to the foredeck.....

Any thoughts on this? Any other elegant solutions?

Oscar
Lady Kay 250 WB #618
In the driveway, just back from Florida ready to go anytime.
<img src="http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/Images/familypics/LKforumshot.jpg" border=0>

Edited by - oscar on 03/29/2003 19:27:46

Edited by - on

Bryan Beamer
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1038 Posts

Response Posted - 03/29/2003 : 11:52:14

It sounds like you take the jib off of the furler every time you trailer? When I picked my boat up from the dealer the 135% was on the furler. I haven't taken it off yet. I'm sure Arlyn and some of the other trailer sailors will comment on the rights and wrongs of leaving the jib on the furler while traveling.

Having a way to adjust the luff would be interesting. I think it would only be effective if the jib were rolled out all the way.

Bryan Beamer
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dc23b3127cce9462f2858f2b0000001010" border=0>
Daylight Again
C250wk #495

Edited by - on

Arlyn Stewart
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
2980 Posts

Response Posted - 03/29/2003 : 12:10:25

Evidently...one of the shackles that now exist is different from the jam cleat that exist on my CDI furler (I think your describing a CDI). I have a jam cleat on the side of the furler which accepts the short pig tail coming off the halyard slide.

The suplied line was likely meant to be cut to provide 1. the halyard pig tail from the slide 2. the halyard. 3. the temporary line to make to the the forward pig tail if dropping the sail. Both the halyard pig tail (forward short line) and the halyard should only long enough to serve their purposes.

My CDI doesn't have any shackles on it...the downhaul or tack line is a 1/8" sturdy line about 10' long that is bowlined to the jib tack. It is roved thru the furler body and sail tack several times giving it the necessary strength and serving very well as a multi block purchase to downhaul the tack. I find that I can't flatten the jib enough hauling on the forward line from the halyard slide. So, whoever conceived using the small line on the tack and gaining purchase by so doing gets my respect.

The result is a system where the height of the sail can be adjusted somewhat by balancing the tack line against the halyard.

If using a fixed length between either the halyard slider or the tack, the ability to adjust the height of the jib for light air / heavy air will be lost.

In light air...I run the jib fully to the mast head which gets the sail up over the life lines better. In heavy air, I keep it as low as possible.

I make the halyard to the sail head with a very tightly made bowline so as to get the sail aloft as far as possible in light air.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
<img src="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/rr.jpg" border=0>
N/E Texas and Great Lakes

[url="http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruisin Stories[/url]

Edited by - arlyn stewart on 03/29/2003 12:15:31

Edited by - on

Bryan Beamer
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1038 Posts

Response Posted - 03/29/2003 : 12:48:25

Arlyn,
Do you take your jib off of your furler when you trailer?

Bryan Beamer
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dc23b3127cce9462f2858f2b0000001010" border=0>
Daylight Again
C250wk #495

Edited by - on

Oscar
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
2030 Posts

Response Posted - 03/29/2003 : 19:37:46

[quote]
Sofar I've taken the Jib off for the road trips. They were 950 miles each, and I did not want that much dirt on it. I guess I could consider getting a sock....
Also, to get to the turnbuckle (loosening the back stay is not enough to comfortably reinstall the pin on the head stay) I need to slide the furler track and drum up, and tie it with a short line on the pulpit. With the sail on it that would be a weighty affair.
Now that I've figured out the picture thing (thanks Bryan) I'll have to take a shot of my furler, there's no handy cleat, just two shackles on top of the drum.

Oscar
<img src="http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/Images/familypics/LKforumshot.jpg" border=0>
Lady Kay 250 WB #618
In the driveway, just back from Florida ready to go anytime.

Edited by - on

Arlyn Stewart
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
2980 Posts

Response Posted - 03/29/2003 : 22:23:59

Bryan....Yes, I take it off, not much trouble. Just tie a small line onto the the pig tail coming off the halyard slide to pull it back down with.

Oscar... your mast raising system is a bit different than mine....as mine pulls from the mast jib halyard... Pulling your masthead forward with your system may not work as well and especially if the backstay is hooked up. A block could be used at the stem and then your mast jib halyard to pull the mast truck forward better to get the pin in. I'm betting you will discover a way to avoid lifting the furler.

I don't hook up the backstay until after the forestay is pinned. Loosen the stays on one side of the boat a given amount of turns...I write the turns on the bronze barrel with marks-a-lot.

I use the athwardship stem attachment point (most forward). I like the use of the small line and roving it several times compared to perhaps using small fiddle blocks. It is simple, effective and quick. Would be tough to beat that combination.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
<img src="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/rr.jpg" border=0>
N/E Texas and Great Lakes

[url="http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruisin Stories[/url]

Edited by - on

Oscar
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
2030 Posts

Response Posted - 03/30/2003 : 09:37:37

Thanks for the food for thought Arlyn,

Another question. As I raise and lower the mast almost every time I go out, should I bother with the kotter pins in the turn buckles? How far can they go by themselves in 4-5 days? I have been doing it sofar, but it is time consuming. I don't touch the shrouds, so those are pinned, and would stay that way. I'm just wondering if it would be an unacceptable risk to leave the head and backstay without pins.....

Oscar
<img src="http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/Images/familypics/LKforumshot.jpg" border=0>
Lady Kay 250 WB #618
In the driveway, just back from Florida ready to go anytime.

Edited by - on

Arlyn Stewart
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
2980 Posts

Response Posted - 03/30/2003 : 12:02:00

The backstay is the only one that wouldn't be a big deal...if it gets loose you will notice it interfering with the roach of the main...but the headstay "MUST" be pinned.

The reason... the furler can spin the turnbuckle out and dismast the boat.

The forestay has no redundancy on the c250 with a CDI furler as the jib halyard is integral and there are no forward lowers.

btw... this is one reason I use a "running baby stay" while cruising... it offers a slight bit of redundancy should the forestay let loose.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
<img src="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/rr.jpg" border=0>
N/E Texas and Great Lakes

[url="http://www.cox-internet.com/arlynstewart/"]Arlyn's C250 Mods n Cruisin Stories[/url]

Edited by - on

Oscar
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
2030 Posts

Response Posted - 03/30/2003 : 13:58:55

Let me picture this.......<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Sunset sparkling bay, waterfront terrace filled with envious landlubbers wishing they were me.......approaching the dock with a brisk turn of speed, at just the right moment, round up into the wind, pull the furling line and AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

OK, I'll pin the headstay.

Oscar
<img src="http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/Images/familypics/LKforumshot.jpg" border=0>
Lady Kay 250 WB #618
In the driveway, just back from Florida ready to go anytime.

Edited by - on

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.