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dannyhain
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Initially Posted - 04/01/2003 : 22:10:29

Like most boaters I pride myself by the condition that I leave my boat in between visits.I always hose everything down and make sure everything is secure before leaving for the day. When I went out this past Sunday I noticed that someone had tied a rope around my furler.It became evident after starting to untie it that something was wrong (Sinking Feeling). The clew end looked like a ripped sheet.(The type of sheet you used to have on your bed but cut up to wash your car or climb out a window.) My guess is that the wind (Damn Santa Anas) had unfurled my jib at least partially causing major shreading. I didn't think this was possible because I usually wrap the Jib Sheets around the furler a couple times when not in use. A few locals claim it happens. Does this sound right? Are there other precautions that I should have taken?
Thanks Danny
"Slippery When Wet"
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 22:25:30

I can't see how a sail can unfurl if it has been properly furled and the furling line has been well cleated.

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 22:45:27

I've seen this happen 2 years ago at Pueblo. Winds clocked at 80mhp+ hit the marina for 6 hour tore the sh*# out of the docks damaged a lot of boats and made swiss cheese out of 2 sails on boats with furlers a 42' Beneteau & a c250 wb. The only thing I could see was both boats had their sheets wrapped around the furled sail a couple of times. But the furling line was not tight. In the wind the sail unrolled until the furling line got tight then flapped in the wind until the sail shredded.

This can also happen when the jib is not furled tight enough the sail above the clew will catch air and make a pocket and will shred also.

Bryan Beamer
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dannyhain
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 00:50:44

Thanks Bryan,
Now that you mention it the tear looked like it was about 2 ft above the Clew. How can I tighten to prevent this from happening again? Danny

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 07:27:47

Two precautions...

1. hold a good bit of back drag on the sheets when furling... and have the furler set up so that several turns of the sheets wrap around the furled sail.

2. Use the spare jib halyard to wrap the entire furled sail. The jib halyard will need to be taken away from the mast to eliminate slapping anyway...so put it to good use.

Should eliminate any future problems.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Dragonfly
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 08:59:38

I have never heard of this happening before - I too will ensure that lines are tight next time prior to leaving.

C-250 WK #641
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 09:20:19

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>. hold a good bit of back drag on the sheets when furling... and have the furler set up so that several turns of the sheets wrap around the furled sail.
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That is exactly the way I do it. Haven't had any problems.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Use the spare jib halyard to wrap the entire furled sail. The jib halyard will need to be taken away from the mast to eliminate slapping anyway...so put it to good use.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I have never done this but it is a great idea.

Bryan Beamer
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dannyhain
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 16:04:39

A friend told me that he had seen a cover to prevent such a happening.He is getting details and I will try and post. In addition I will try the drag idea.kinda like fishin line. Thanks ALL Danny

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Tom Coleman
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 21:34:21

Danny; I have seen it happen and I nearly had it happen to me. My jib was saved by another sailer whose boat was slipped next to mine and who took quick action to prevent a shredding. Ever since he told me about it I have been, in additon to properly wrapping the jib sheets with tight tension, placing two webbing sail ties around the furled jib as well. I place one as high as I can reach and the other about 2 feet below it. No problems this way. Just this morning (I spent the night on the boat in the marina), I saw a 27 footer with his gen ripped to shreds. Winds last night were gusting to over 50 knots (not much sleep). It is not particularly uncommon I guess.
Sorry about your damage.

Tom Coleman
"Kalya"
C250 wb #568
Great Salt Lake

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Tom Coleman
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 21:36:10

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Tom Coleman
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bill bosworth
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 22:24:27

Danny;
I had a jib sock made for my boat. My primary reason was to prevent the sail from degreding from the sunlight. It also has the added benefit of protecting the sail from strong winds.
Bill c250 wb #134 Serendipity

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/03/2003 : 00:24:02

"Winds last night were gusting to over 50 knots"
Another "Tooele Twister" Tom? I "enjoyed" sailing in one on Great Salt Lake after the 2000 Nationals...<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 04/04/2003 : 00:10:41

Bill was the sock expensive,what type of fabric is it made of, and how difficult is it to put on and take off?

Suzie
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Sarasota FL.

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jguyot
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Response Posted - 04/05/2003 : 22:06:21

Hi Sailgal
I also have a Jib Sock. It is made of Sunbrella and is the same color as my Mainsail cover. As you pull it up with the "spare" jib halyard, you zip it up.Mine has 3 long zippers with a space (about 8")in between the middle zipper & the bottom zipper so the sheets can come out. It cost me around $175

Jerry Guyot
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/05/2003 : 22:33:07

I think there was talk a year or two ago about Catalina Direct marketing a jib sock for the C250....you might check with them.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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