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MattL
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Initially Posted - 04/10/2003 : 15:54:29

My first question is how come we don't get the tax refund when the off season starts.
Our tax lady told us we are getting a nice check in the mail. I talked to the admrial about this and she said, first we have this, this and this to pay off then what can we do to make the boat go faster.

Sails: the ones we have are original for our '86, would we be better off getting a larger jib (I'm thinking a 135 or 150) to compliment our present 110. Or would A new main be better. My mom sewed up the holes in the batten pockets, I haven' rolled them out yet to see what kinc of fabric if any she used it could be intersting. A cruising spinnaker would be cool too.

Standing Rigging: We have a single back stay, would a split back stay be better to get than new sails?

I think a new bottom painting would help too, but I don't feel like doing that right now.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Cat 25 86'
FK/SR _/)

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/10/2003 : 16:31:04

You better not let the Democrats know you have a refund. They'll try to take it away from you.

Frank Gloss
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 04/10/2003 : 17:02:03

Matt - A bigger jib would be nice for sailing in lighter air, but if you would do a really good bottom job, taking it down to the gelcoat, and then putting a barrier coat and fresh bottom paint on it, your speed would probably increase almost as much as if you got the bigger jib. (Depending on how rough the bottom is.) If it was my boat, I'd buy the bigger sail and do the bottom job myself.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/10/2003 : 17:02:20

Matt, If it were me, my sail priorities would be 150, roller furling, new main, assymetrical.

The 150 with with roller furling provides good sail coverage for all kinds of winds, especially the kinds we are likely to sail in. If you are a serious racer, or are planning to be those priorities would be good for you (IMHO). If you are into serious racing you might still want the 150 first or even a 155, 135, main and the assymetrical and or real spinniker. Some think the the roller furling is dysfunctional for air flow over the sail and therefore not appropriate for the serious racer. I plan to do some racing, certainly not serious this summer and do not plan to take the roller furler off. Its too valuable to me.

Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/10/2003 : 18:57:43

A lot depends on how and where you use your boat. For me the choice is easy...roller furling, but I'm not a formal racer, mostly just a singlehanded cruiser.

If you are a singlehander, cruiser, or wet/dry slip your boat for the season, I would go for the roller furling. I'm amazed how much time and effort that my furler saves me. Setting the genoa takes all of a second or two and furling the sail takes just a couple of seconds more all without leaving the confines of the cockpit.

If you are a racer or trailer sailor, I would opt for the hanked on 155 and adjustable backstay.

If your sailing area consists of a lot of downwind runs in light to moderate air, go for the asymmetrical, but this would be my last choice after the roller furling and genoa.

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Kirk McKay
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Response Posted - 04/11/2003 : 10:26:31

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You better not let the Democrats know you have a refund. They'll try to take it away from you.

Frank Gloss
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Thank you for the Politcal commentary. Now please stop!

Kirk

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MattL
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Response Posted - 04/12/2003 : 01:43:31

It's OK Kirk. I'm a democrate, my wife is, both my parents and grand parents were. Shoot my parents even voted for Shirley Chilsom (not sure of the spelling). If Frank wants to make silly comments it's alright. You and I know that we democrats need to get this money to pay off the debet incured by their favorite sons. Regan, Nixon etc. If it weren't for the democrates who knows where we would be.

What I would really like to know is how do I spend this new found wealth. The admrial was asking again about sails. She said hold off on the hull job for next year. Is there any other input about the adj. backstay?
Thanks again.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Cat 25 86'
FK/SR _/)

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/12/2003 : 06:32:52

Yes, Matt, it was a silly statement. It was intended to be. sorry to touch off a raw nerve with the Democrats. I'll not make political jokes in the future. By the way, I'm an independent. I'm also a high achiever who is tired of paying a too high a percentage of my income in taxes. That sets off my raw nerve.
My next purchase will be an autopilot, then a furler.
I'll get back to refurbishing the boat now. Fair winds to you all.

Frank Gloss
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/12/2003 : 10:57:18

Phew.....you guys almost lost it there, thought we were going to round up.......highly unstable sailing these forums.....man could get in trouble here....where's my prozac HONEY WHERE IS THE $%^&*& PROZAC......

Oscar
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In the driveway in Behtlehem, PA ready to go anytime.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/12/2003 : 11:51:01

Good one Oscar,

The nice thing about the Catalina community is that we can disagree, but still have respect for each other. We all want peace, tranquility, and prosperity for each other. Just differ a little in the means. No big deal.

I spent my meager refund on credit card debt. Boring. But at least it was incurred buying stuff for the boat.

Frank Gloss
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MattL
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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 01:45:34

Frank, Oscar, et. al.
I hope I didn't offend anyone with my political statment, my toung was in my cheek at the time of writing.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> and as you can see it is wagging all over the place now.
I have still been thinking of sails. I have heard much talk of furlling sails. I have never used them. My sailing is mostly on our little lake here in the middle of California, with an occasional trip to Monterey or San Francisco. The winds are usually mild and the dock is always close by. My thought is to stick with a hank on sail rather that taking on the expense of a new sail and the additonal hardware. If I go to the bay, I think I'll just use the old 110. People I have talke with that have roller furling swear by them. Occasionaly at them when something goes wrong. They also seem like a hassle if you are going to drop the mast and raise it again for once a month trips. So lets change the politics and work on the question of

Furling sail vs. hank on sail

I am all ears on this topic from people that are familiar with both.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Cat 25 86'
FK/SR _/)

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 09:43:23

I currently have a hank on. Can't afford a furler right now. So in the meantime I'll hook up a jib downhaul system like I had on my 22. At least that helps when single handing. I recommend this system highly. The one for my 22 was purchased from Catalina Direct.

BTW. I paid enough taxes on my last paycheck to pay for a one of those new Schaffer maxi furls. These are the ones designed for boats our size. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Frank Gloss
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MattL
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Response Posted - 04/14/2003 : 12:46:06

I don't even want to think about what I pay on monthly pay check; taxes, insurance, medical, union dues, and don't even talk to me about *&^&*&%(* PG &E. If PG&E would cut out some of their feel good arn't we wonderful tv adds during prime time my bill could easily drop by a couple of boat units.
One of the guys in our club is also a Doyl Sail guy. I called him and left a message the other day, I see they are going to be at the Jack London Boat Show so I'll ask if they have any discounts going on.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 04/14/2003 : 17:13:17

Furling vs. hank on.

This is the first boat I've had with a furler. I tend to like it, but it's an older CDI with aluminum sections. A real pain when it comes to lowering and raising the mast. It has it's own halyard, so if I had more than the 150%, changing head sails wouldn't be too difficult. I really think, after trying it a few times, that sailing with a partially furled sail doesn't work all that well.

Hank on sails are a real pain when the wind and waves are up and a head sail change is required. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't like the idea of going up to the bow with sail in hand when the boat's heeling 20-25 degrees and waves are 5-8 feet to do a sail change. Granted the sail should be changed if you had a furler, also, but in a pinch, you could roll it in a bit to get you home.

All in all, I'll stick with a furler for cruising, especially nice if single-handing. If I was racing the boat, I'd have a double head foil and forget hank-ons all together.

John Mason
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