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jeffj
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Initially Posted - 05/06/2003 : 17:12:34

I am in the process of purchasing a Catalina 25 from a charter program and will be keeping the boat in the program. They have 7 to choose from ranging from '78-'85. The main difference is the higher priced boats have Roller Furling and a newer 4 stroke. The price difference is $2000 from the cheaper boats. Any thoughts on Rollers and 4 strokes and if they make a huge difference? I have not sailed for years. Also, and comments on owning a charter boat?
Thanks very much for any insight!

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 17:21:42

Well, think of it this way: installing a roller furler and having your jib recut would cost 600 - 800 dollars at least. A new 4 stroke outboard will set you back about 2500 dollars. So, two thousand isn't unreasonable (although you should bargain!).

I have a hank on jib and a 2 stroke, so I can't comment on the virtues of rollers and fours.

Brooke

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matsche
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 17:56:20

You should take into account the age of the roller furling and 4 stroke. I've noticed that a lot of older boats with roller furlings tend to be marked up by an amount that more closely resembles the cost of a new roller furling, when in fact the furling is as old as the boat. I'd be willing to pay $1K for a new furling, but not for one 20 years old.

With respect to the 4 stroke, I don't have any personal experience, but I have read that the early ones were problematic. The other guys on this thread have much more experience with these and can probably offer some advice there.

Do a search for C25's on the internet to get a feel for what the typical asking price is for these boats. A good site is http://www.yachtworld.com/.

Good luck

John Matsche 1985 Cat-25 TR/FK

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dock
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 17:59:30

I guess it all depends on your total purchase price. I would look all over the net to get a good idea on the value of what you want to purchase. I just purchased a 1990 Catalina 25. It took me two months to find the right boat at the right price. As far as the four stroke, it sure will reduce the amount of vibration while motoring. The furler will make sailing much easier also.

I believe I would vote against owning a charter boat with that many years on it.

"ParaDocks"

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 18:08:41

There's a lot more to it than just roller furling and a 4-stroke.

Over the years, Catalina made upgrades to the boat. For my money's worth, the external gas tank storage change in '82 is worth a lot. If it's a fin keel, my '82 is cast iron. I wish it were the fiberglass enclosed lead that came in '84-85 or so. Then there was the change from aluminum spreader brackets to stainless (don't know when that happened). And the extended bow stem fitting (again, don't know when that change was made - after '82. I had to do that one myself).

If you can get Bill Holcomb to ring in. He has superior knowledge of the Catalina 25 and the changes made over the years.

John Mason
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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 18:46:52

I will offer the ever present advise to get a professional survey done...especially if it's been in charter. Well maintained and current safety equipment gives me peace of mind: inspected fire extinguishers, PFD's for adults and kids, full first aid kit, flashlights, blankets, VHF, anchors with sufficient rode, flares, air horn, GPS, extra gas can, and the list goes on. Good luck. Todd Frye

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10timesSaltier
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 19:05:07

As to older 4-strokes...I have a '78 Honda 9.9 that is still going strong, I tried to kill it and get a new one over the winter (didn't winterize it), but it just won't die ;) So, I'm stuck with it for another season.

Brian.
Great Salt Lake (10-times saltier than the ocean)
"SAFARI", '81 C25 TR-FK #2275

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/07/2003 : 02:21:32

I now have a furler and I will never go back to hanks. As for the motor, I try to use my engine as little as possible throughout the season, so the increased fuel economy of the 4 stroke really wouldn't mean much to me.

What price range are we talking for these boats? If you buy a boat and keep it in the charter program, do they pay you for the use of the boat? Do you get it anytime you want or is it like a time share where you have to schedule a time period?

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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cclark
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Response Posted - 05/07/2003 : 02:47:05

Jeff,
I just installed a furler on my boat. The equipment cost was about $500. I have a 2 stroke that works great. I believe the difference in price between a new 2 and a new 4 is around $500. All other things being equal, I wouldn't think the more expensive boats would be worth it.
Regarding boats in charter, keep in mind that these boats might get more regular maintenance than private ownership, but they get harder use from non-owners with varying levels of expertise. Many are also used regularly for instruction. Are you in Seattle by chance?
Chris

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jeffj
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Response Posted - 05/07/2003 : 18:22:43

Thanks for all of the great info. received from the group! Just to answer a few questions: The Charter program is in Seattle at Shillshole bay and runs as follows, you get to use the boat as often as you like as long as it is not signed up for. If you do want to use your boat and it's out you can take another boat out in the fleet.
We are sailing the '85 on Sat. It comes with new roller furling and the older 2 stroke which was added 2-3 years ago. Total price is 7500 and they are basiscally "guaranteeing" 60% of all ownership costs to be covered by the program. They are also very high on maintenance as they don't want their boats laid up for any time.
Thanks again for all of the great insights!

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Chip Hunt
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Response Posted - 05/11/2003 : 22:57:06

when i bought my boat, it had a hanked on jib and an old two stroke sailmaster. after the first season, i bought a 9.9 high torque yamaha 4 stroke (electric start is really nice), and a harken furler. motoring and sailing are now exponentially easier. depending on where you will be sailing, you may want to make sure you choose a boat with a longshafted motor. a short shaft will be prone to cavitate in some conditions.

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jeffj
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Response Posted - 05/12/2003 : 00:40:28

Thanks again for the info. Not sure if this post matters, but after the insight from posts and the initial sail, we are purchasing a 1985 Cat 25' with Roller Furling and will be adding a new 4 stroke to finish it off. The wife did well on the sail which consisted of a glass surface, 4 knot winds, zero chop and beautiful skies, I'm holding my breath for this type of weather always <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Looking forward to adding content to the board and learning from the experience represented.

Jeff
Gracious 1985 Cat 25'

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/12/2003 : 08:56:42

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"...after the insight from posts and the initial sail, we are purchasing a 1985 Cat 25'..." <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Good choice!

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"The wife did well on the sail which consisted of a glass surface, 4 knot winds, zero chop and beautiful skies, I'm holding my breath for this type of weather always..."<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yeah, my Admiral likes the 4 knot winds, too, but the C25 just loves winds in the 10-15kts range (and so do I <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>)!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/13/2003 : 15:39:56

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
The wife did well on the sail which consisted of a glass surface, 4 knot winds, zero chop and beautiful skies, I'm holding my breath for this type of weather always <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

What's the fun in that....hopefully the Admiral can handle 20 knots of wind, a few rollers and 15 degrees of heal....that's when it gets fun

Congratulations and Fair winds with your new boat

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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