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steephen
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Initially Posted - 05/15/2003 : 16:22:05

If my boat is recting on blocks and jackstands, I assume it's resting its full weight on the retracted keel. The new cable has a shroud-like fitting. The question is, can one reach the fitting from under the boat without lifting her up? Or is the fitting way up there? I am thinking about lifting the boat just far enough for the keel to drop down, then threading the cable through to the interior. Do I guess correctly that the vertical 2" radiator hose under the companionway is what keeps the water out of the boat?

SZ

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 05/15/2003 : 19:08:40

Here's a link to the page in the part manual that shows the swing keel assembly and it's parts. This should help some.

http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/pc13.gif

My guess is that most of the boat's weight should not be resting on the swing keel. Unlike a fixed fin or wing keel, the swing keel is not designed to have much more than it's own weight.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/15/2003 : 22:52:20

I think you'll need to raise the boat 12" or so to gain decent access to the cable attachment point.

The weight of the boat should NOT be borne by sitting on the swing keel. It's not designed to support that kind of load.

Most of the hull weight should be borne by it's own blocking. The aft end of the keel should be 'lowered' slightly from the hull and resting 'free', supported on it's own blocking.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Response Posted - 05/16/2003 : 08:24:42

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If my boat is recting on blocks and jackstands, I assume it's resting its full weight on the retracted keel. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
 It shouldn't be - its not designed to carry that load

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The new cable has a shroud-like fitting. The question is, can one reach the fitting from under the boat without lifting her up? Or is the fitting way up there? I am thinking about lifting the boat just far enough for the keel to drop down, then threading the cable through to the interior.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
You'll need about 12-16 inches as noted above. Can you dig out the ground at all? That would give you more room.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Do I guess correctly that the vertical 2" radiator hose under the companionway is what keeps the water out of the boat?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yes it is - Be sure to reattach that with two hose clamps

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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steephen
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Response Posted - 05/17/2003 : 21:59:18

Duane, Bill & Clam:

Thanks for the info. My boat has been sitting on keelblocks and jackstands for four years now, so whatever weight the keel has been taking, it's been there for a while. No visible damage so far, at least as far as cracks and such. I can't see the pin end, of course.

I threaded the cable and hope to attach it to the eye once they lift her up; the yard said they could hold her for a while in the cradle for me.

Questions: Do you guys support your boats entirely on the jackstands? Is it possible the yard sheared my keel cable by pinching it while sitting the boat and keel on blocking, because the keel shouldn't be going so far "north" in the first place? Perhaps I'll order a new eye while I'm at it, in case the one in the keel got crunched.

SZ (hoping to sail "Little Wing" by July)

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John V.
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Response Posted - 05/18/2003 : 08:29:01

Hi Stephen, I recently re threded a new keel cable on my 77 C25. I had purchased all new keel hardware from catalina direct. One thing you need to pay attention to as you reel the new cable on the winch drum. you will not be able to maintain the level of tension that the keel will provide but be careful not to let the cable bind over itself as you wind it on. If it gets tangled on itself you may not be able to extend the keel fully, or you may get a surprise as the tangle lets go, and your keel drops a few inches. In this case there would be a tremendous strain on the clevis pin.

Good luck getting your boat on the water. I have a question. Most C25 swingers were designed as trailer sailors, Is there a trailer that belongs to your boat? Can you get your hands on a trailer? The ones designed for this model provide the proper amount of support in the right places and allow the swing keel to rest on the bed without putting any pressure on the hull.

John V. Nin Bimash II
77 C25 sk/sr #153

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steephen
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Response Posted - 05/18/2003 : 16:24:36

Dear John V:

No, I don't have a trailer, but was hoping to look for one, maybe in these pages. Also a 9.5 hp motor, if possible. I have a 5 which I think is too small.

Thanks,

Stephen Z

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/18/2003 : 17:27:36

I'd for sure get the new keel cable attachment from Catalina Direct...
while you're under there you want to make it 100% right.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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