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dock
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Initially Posted - 06/02/2003 : 12:08:07

My pump toilet just quit filling and rinsing with water. Its a 1990 C25 with an inlet water source, a larger outlet thru hull discharge and a holding tank. It pumps into the holding tank just fine however it quit filling and rinsing. The inlet valve is open and I do have the pump valve flipped over to the left, I forget what it says. It seems to make a sucking air noise if I keep pumping. I, of course, do have the y valve flipped over to pump directly into the holding tank.

Prior to it stopping, the bowl rise water had black specs in it and the bowl filled with stinky murky liquid. The lake I'm on has clear drinkable safe water.

Any ideas or direction?

Jim Dockery

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/02/2003 : 17:09:56

If there was matter in the intake line...its likely that a piece of it is lodged in the check valve on the intake. Most pumps work against that check valve... and if its held open...no pumping.

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kurt
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Response Posted - 06/03/2003 : 11:53:56

Maybe your sink drain in the bathroom is open. In my 1986 it will suck air from the sink drain if the stopper is not in place. They are connected to the same thru hull.

Kurt
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djones
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 09:22:32

Just last weekend I had the pleasure of rebuilding the head on our boat. There were a number of black rubber flexible valves inside that were in process of coming apart. I think if I waited much longer, I'd end up with the same situation as Jim. Mine is a WC Headmate, and it wasn't too much trouble to rebuild, just messy.

I read in the "Head Mistress" expert forum on Catalinaowners.com that they recommend replacing the entire head every other rebuild time.

-don

Don & Freda Jones
"Swept Away" '83 C25 SR/FK
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dock
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 11:19:19

Thanks for the replies. It sure is nice having a forum like this to bounce questions and ideas off everyone. My hat is off to all those that make this possible.

Jim Dockery

"ParaDocks"

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 23:26:37

This is why I would rather have a porta-pottie instead of a built-in marine head with a holding tank and a lot of plumbing to malfunction. Yuck! Of course the downside is that a porta-pottie has a lot less holding capacity and therefore has to be dumped more often...

Larry Charlot
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 23:30:08

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This is why I would rather have a porta-pottie instead of a built-in marine head with a holding tank and a lot of plumbing to malfunction. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

At home, do you and your family still use chamber pots? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 06/06/2003 : 21:09:51

With due deference and respect to the Master Marine Mechanic, what people do at home and what they do at sea may be quite different, by choice and by need. The Admiral used to say before she got her PhD she could pee behind a bush, but afterwards, liked some minor screening for the process, stuff happens, ron srsk #2343 Orion SWFL

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martinsokolowski
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Response Posted - 06/07/2003 : 18:34:10

Jim,

Did you resolve your problem? I have the problem with mine!
My next step was going to be taking off the inlet hose and replacing it with a clear hose so I could see if water was coming in.

Martin

Martin Sokolowski
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dock
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Response Posted - 06/09/2003 : 12:30:18

Martin,

I will be trying some different options this week. I will keep you imformed. I am hoping that closing the sink drain will help.

Jim Dockery

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/09/2003 : 15:38:26

Jim,

An option to opening the inlet valve for flush water is to have a gallon jug, filled with a water/head deodorant mixture, next to the toilet to use as flush water. I use this method for a number of reasons, the first one being odors, and I not talking about the usual head odors, and the second is simplicity.

When regular lake water is used in the head it leaves a certain odor. I refer to this odor as "low tide" and anyone who has lived on the coast knows this smell. By using the premixed flush water, I don't have this lingering smell.

Another reason I use this method is simplicity. When instructing someone on using the head the conventional way, it usually went something like this,

1. Open small door and open inlet valve
2. Turn toilet lever to "Flush"
3. Pump some water into the bowl
4. Do your business and flush
5. Turn lever to "Pump Dry"
6. Pump bowl dry
7. Close inlet valve

Though not terribly complex, these instructions appear confusing to bladder bloated landlubbers, who believe they might sink the boat if they do something in the wrong order.

When using the jug flush method, the instructions go like this,

1. Do business
2. Pour water/deodorant in bowl and pump dry

No valves to open and close, no levers to flip, and no "low tide" smell. Simplicity is King!

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Doug
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Response Posted - 06/10/2003 : 01:30:26

About once a year I need to pull the plunger out of the head and lube the O ring with Vasaline. This year I replced the O ring, about 79 cents at an auto parts store. Head works great when the O ring makes a decent seal. This weekend I went out overnight and my daughter brought a (13 year old) friend. Didn't find out until we got back that our guest had a "mothly visitor" show up while we were out. Now I'm worried about a tampon or whatever floating around in the system, just waiting for a good time to clog somwhere. New boat rule: All guests are told nothing goes in the head unless in passes through a human body first.
Still, the marine head is way better than the porta potti we used to have. It's cleaner, easier, and can go a long time between pump outs. I've also never spilled or splashed anything on me pumping it out. Can't say that about the porta potti.

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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