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CB
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Initially Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:52:00

I just was installing a new bronze thru-hull and gate valve, and my old system had 2 valves, one for the sink and one for the icebox. both going to the one exit point. Is there any need to have 2 valves here, anyone see an issue with having a "T" above the valve, w/ both the sink and cooler draining to one valve instead of the two I'm replacing? I think this would be fine, am I overlooking something other than sink drain water going into the icebox if the valve is closed? Does anyone else have a similar setup?
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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:59:51

You said it. The sink draining into the ice box is a real disaster. Nothing worse then an oily film all over the beer containers. Also we find some cooling value in keeping the ice melt in the cooler, on a long weekend with no new ice source for recharge even cold water is better then nothing.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 06/02/2003 : 23:53:04

Hi Ed,

Of course, sea water can also enter the icebox through the drain if you heel hard enough to port. 30 to 35 degrees will do it. This can really change the taste of everything in the icebox.

My solution was to put a valve between the "T" and the ice box in the ice box drain.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Response Posted - 06/03/2003 : 12:58:05

The boat was designed with one through hull and it should not be a problem. There should be a small joggle/check valve in the drain line. Sometimes these get debris in them and dont work. They can be taken apart and cleaned. Some people put a cork in there ice box drain to stop any water backing up. Others have put a shut of valve in the ice box drain. you can solve the problem many ways but using two through hulls just to have an ice box drain in in my oppinion a No No.

Doug&Ruth
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 06/03/2003 : 13:59:02

My boat has one to-hull (I know, but it's still very solid), one ball valve (get a ball valve, not a gate valve - you can tell at a glance if it's open or closed, not so with the gate valve) with a T fitting on top of the ball valve. I just added an in-line check valve in the ice box line ($14.95 at West Marine). Simple is better.

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 06/03/2003 : 22:16:42

Ours also has a single ball valve with a T above it. It seems to me the thru-hulls should be shut when sailing, so sea water in the icebox shouldn't be a problem. However, sink water has been an annouance for us. I would caution that check valves don't work very well or long at very low pressure, so one in the icebox line may not function for long, if at all. Since we use our icebox for dry storage, I'm thinking of removing the drain hose--it may help the sink to drain better.

Incidentally, I have found that the sink drains much better if the hose slopes down continuously from the sink to the thru-hull. Any high spots tend to capture air, which impedes the flow.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 11:59:29

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Some people put a cork in there ice box drain to stop any water backing up.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I'm one of them. I feel like the icebox is pretty useless as an icebox: it makes a much better storage container for dry food or for pots and pans, etc. It's ever so much easier to use a portable cooler for cold storage -- you can put ice in it more easily, gain access to food stored therein, etc., etc.

Brooke

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 12:58:40

Another issue we have with the ice box that some of you might be able to relate to is that aluminum cans just don't hold up like they used to. If I leave soda cans in the box for too long they will start to leak. I am on a fresh water lake otherwise I would suspect salt water intrusion to be the culprit. I have a valve on both the ice box and sink drain to keep them separate. I agree that the ice box is not perfect for access, however we haven't found a good solution to replace it with. We use all berths on the boat most of the time so no empty quarter berth to stow an ice chest. Any ideas for the dinette model?

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 14:14:57

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> We use all berths on the boat most of the time so no empty quarter berth to stow an ice chest. Any ideas for the dinette model?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I have a dinette model. My suggestion is to take fewer people and/or less stuff! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

The few times when we haven't had room at night to keep the cooler below, we've simply put it in the cockpit overnight. It's still easily accessible there through the companionway.

Brooke

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 14:20:11

Since 99 percent of my sailing is of the day variety, my ice chest is usually filled with just bottled water, and since I go sailing just about every day, every couple of days I'll gather a bag of ice from the ice maker in the freezer and throw it in with the bottled water. Generally I'll get a few days of ice cold water followed by a few days of cold water, and then finally just cool water.

When we go on the occasional multiday vacation-type trip, we load a separate cooler for things like milk, fruit, cheese, lunch meats, condiments,...etc, and put it in the aft berth, while the icebox continues to hold just beverages. This results in me not having to bury my upper torso into the icebox while looking for a small piece of cheese that has taken refuge at the bottom of the box.

We don't cook a lot on our boat(removed the stove last week and put the microwave in it's place) when cruising because my wife says that she's on vacation too(to her, a "vacation" means a break from cooking, cleaning, laundry, housekeeping,...Go figure?), and will not be the galley slave for the crew.

This means that our overnight stops are in the vicinity of restaurants, which actually works out for me because the time we save by not preparing and cooking meals, setting up the dinner table, washing dishes,...etc, means that we spend more time actually sailing and less doing housework.

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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 16:28:56

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> We use all berths on the boat most of the time so no empty quarter berth to stow an ice chest. Any ideas for the dinette model?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Brooke

If the Dinette model is the "Booth" and I always get them confused, try under the table when in the down position. If that doesn't work, there are ways to mount it on the outside of the stern pulpit.

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 22:26:30

We also sail with the dinette table down, and coolers and other stuff on top and below the table. For cooling, we freeze water bottles, including some gallon jugs. (They swell, but they don't break.) We pour off the melted water for drinking, and the ice keeps both the water and the contents of the cooler cold. For faster melting, just pull a jug or some bottles out and let them stand...

Now that I'm converting the dinette area to a convertable queen bed, the V-berth will become the primary storage area for coolers and other stuff.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 23:38:09

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Now that I'm converting the dinette area to a convertable queen bed, the V-berth will become the primary storage area for coolers and other stuff.
Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT
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I can't put much of anything in the V-berth except bedding and other lightweight stuff. My boat is already bow-heavy (or maybe the waterline stripe was painted on wrong, amking the boat look bow heavy). I have to put coolers, spare anchor, battery, etc. in the quarter berth to keep the boat on a fairly even keel. In fact, I know the boat is bow heavy, because when water gets into the cockpit, it will only drain if I stand right on the transom.

Larry Charlot
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 07:43:04

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> try under the table when in the down position. If that doesn't work, there are ways to mount it on the outside of the stern pulpit.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Duane, with due respect. . . we sail with the table up (yes, it's a "booth") so we can sit and check charts and play cards and whatever. Were the cooler under the table, we'd have no leg room. We only drop the table to make up the queen-sized berth. When we do that, we might want something to eat or drink. . . or be able to make breakfast while the mate is in bed!

As for hanging the cooler off the pulpit . . . well, your sense of aesthetics and mine are. . . different! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

With reference to the original post, I just can't imagine so loading the boat that there's no room for a reasonably sized cooler. Ours goes in the quarter berth, where it's reasonably secure and accessible. And, if we were using the "icebox" for food rather than pots and pans, I'd need to find a place for them. So, it seems to me, it's all a wash.

Brooke

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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 10:39:24

What I did for the icebox / sink drain:

I replaced the to-hull with a proper thru-hull and stopcock. The sink is drained to the stopcock with as short of a run as possible of tubing. The valve stays shut always unless actually using the sink.

The ice box is used for dry storage almost exclusively but I plumbed the drain to a hand pump mounted at the sink in case it is ever used and I need to empty it. If the power failed and the pressurized water system failed I could easily switch the hose over to the hand pump. Or just use the huge supply of bottle water onboard.

Clif Thompson
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