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Charlie Vick
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Initially Posted - 06/04/2003 : 13:22:49

I know this has been gone over in the past
but I'm looking for some new sails and I
would appreciate anyones input as to the
best type of sails for my situation.
I'm basically a daysailer, usually single-handed,
on an lake in Oklahoma, with winds normally
5-30kts, I don't race, unless there's
another sailboat on the lake,(there's a 25'
US Yacht that runs circles around me I'd
love to beat) but I raced boards and Cougar
Cats 35 years ago and I still have this need for
speed so I'd like something closer to the high
performance end. I'm looking for a 150 genny,
a 110 and a fully battened main, preferably
a little larger than the original main,
with logos and numbers. Any experience anyone has
had with this profile would be greatly appreciated.

CVick
Panacea II '81 C25 #2439 SRSK

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 16:16:47

Its all going to depend on what you want to spend but here are some general thoughts.

Since you single hand, your going to most likely want a window cut into your 150% genoa. It will save you having to look around the sail, your going to have enough to do. You might just want one reef point on the main, maybe a bit higher up than the normal first point. Most single handlers don't go out in the really sloppy stuff that needs a 2nd reef. I like the free or loose footed main. In your instance the loose footed main gives you an additional handhold if you have to go forward.

You mentioned a bigger main. I was able, after talking to the loft, to get an additional 8 square feet (or so) into the roach.

I would suggest stopping by the lofts in your area and talk to the sailmakers directly. If you don't have a plethora of lofts out in Oklahoma, I would try having an email conversation with them. In most cases, a discount will be offered for purchasing all three sails. They will also question you enough to find the perfect match for you and your sailing , choosing fabric weights, batten locations etc., extra grommets etc. If they are really good, they will go to your boat and measure it and offer additional suggestions that aren't in the original specs. By doing this, when the day is done, you'll have 2, 3, or even 4 quotes in your hand that compare kringle to kringle exactly the same sail, a better understanding of your sails, and have a foundation for a good relationship with your loft.

hope this helps

dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 17:07:35

Duane

Thanks for the reply!
I was wondering if you can suggest any manufacturers. You were right there aren't any around my area. (I actually live in Fort Smith, Arkansas and sail in Oklahoma) The closest place I can find that has anything to do with sailboats is West Marine in Tulsa.
Ullman was suggested in my other post which is who made my 150 I carry now and I've been happy with it but I would like to get quotes from other dealers. There are so many I wouldn't know where to start.
I'm hoping to get out of this for maybe $1500 to $1800 so I know the field is wide open.
Thanks

CVick
Panacea II '81 C25 #2439 SRSK

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luckystar
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 17:35:59

Charlie, I'm an arkansas sailor down here at degray in arkadelphia. I bought my sails from National Sail Supply (nationalsail.com) in Fort Meyers, FL. I would suggest them or thesailwarehouse.com (they have OEM and precut sails in many configurations and can also modify those with more bells and whistles) Good luck

Patrick Burnett, Little Rock, AR
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matsche
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 20:07:28

Charlie:

I just put on a new Ullman main last month from Catalina Direct and the difference is amazing. It is full batten and seems to have quite a bit more roach than my blown out '85 original. I had to lower the boom about 3 inches to allow the top batten to clear the back stay. I'd done a lot of research and CD had by far the best deal. About 750 compared to well over a grand for most others with similar features.

I'm going to second Duane's suggestion to go loose foot. In light wind I can quickly loosen up the outhaul and add a lot more shape to the sail. The performance gain is very noticable. It only has 1 reef point, but that should be more than enough for lake sailing. Best improvement I've made so far.

John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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Shawn
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 20:38:39

Charlie
I bought a new fully battened main and three new head sails (100%, 135%, 150%) from national sail supply a couple of years ago. I have been happy with them so far for the price. They are Rolly Tasker sails made in Taiwan specifically for a Catalina. The people at National Sail were nice to deal with as well. I beleive their website is nationalsailsupply.com. Or you should be able to find with a search engine. I saw their ad in Sail mag. If I remember correctly the main with full battens and two reef points was around $900, and the three headsails were about $1400 for all three. This was a winter special, not sure about regular pricing but take a look.

Shawn
1980C25 tr/fk #1960

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 13:10:10

Thanks to everyone who responded to my post including the e-mails I received. I even found out about a sailmaker in Tulsa! I'm in the process of checking out prices and options so I will let you know how it turns out.

Thanks again!

CVick
Panacea II '81 C25 #2439 SRSK

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 20:44:29

Banks Sails (this loft is in Portland, OR.) is just finishing a new main for my C25 standard rig. It's 6.5 oz. cloth and only one reef point, because I nearly never put in the second on my current main which is now the cruising sail. It was built in 1991 and I still win races with it, although I had it reshaped a year or so ago. The new one, with partial battens except the top full batten is only $607, although I ordered it months ago and got a discount as a boat show special. I would much rather go this route, and actually have a sailmaker than a "one-size fits all" main. Their quality is really, really good. Even with shipping from Portland, Or, this would be cheaper and probably superior than what you're looking at right now.....just a thought.

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/06/2003 : 09:16:45

Charlie -

I just read your response to my post regarding your request for sail info. There are a number of lofts that do mail business. I would check with the following lofts via the web to get a quote. Definitely have a chat via phone before ordering. By the way, Sobstad has a loft in Edmond...not sure if that is close to you.

you may also want to check with these following lofts. ( I will email you as well.)

Sobstad Oklahoma:
1906 Leawood Place Edmond, Oklahoma 73034 Phone 405-359-9292 Fax 405-359-9292
E-mail - heiseman@theshop.net <mailto:heiseman@theshop.net>
Salesman; Harold Eiseman

http://www.bankssails.com/

www.northsails.com

WWW.sobstad.com

www.cruisingdirect.com

http://www.doylesails.com/

http://uksailmakers.com/home.asp

http://www.quantumsails.com/splash.asp

http://www.shoresails.com/

Hope this helps
dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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swarchitect
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Response Posted - 06/07/2003 : 09:07:15

I bought a new 135 and main from Crusing Direct. They are made by North Sails, and they have sails pre-cut for our boats. I am also an inland lake sailor, and find the difference incredible.

I bought the "performance roach" option on my main, adding a few square feet at the top. I didn't go the full batten route but I know they have this as an option as well. The standard is a single reef point.

I had the 135 made with the luff for my roller furler, and a UV protective leech.

In the end, I am very happy with the sails. The people were easy to deal with, they were shipped quickly, and the price for the two sails as described, fit within your stated budget.

Scott
#3134 SR/FK
Le Hannah

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/07/2003 : 12:31:07

On a limited budget? Got a sewing machine?

Consider a sail kit from sailrite.com They've been making them for a long time.

Have lots of other 'neat' stuff too. http\www.sailrite.com

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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