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weluvlife
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Initially Posted - 07/09/2003 : 00:29:07

Hello,

I could use some help deciding on which two sails to buy. I'm getting rid of a roller furler and want two head sails for light wind cruising.

If I can only afford two sails, should they be:

1. 165 Drifter for beam reaching & upwind, and an asymetrical for off wind

or

2. 165 Genoa for beam to upwind & an asymetrical for off wind

Another quick question : When slightly overpowered with a 165 drifter, should the next step down in head sail be a 165 genoa or say a 130 genoa?

I know I'm kind of vague here, but just trying to get some round about ideas and opinions.

Thanks,

Mark Eichman
Lake Don Pedro, CA

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77Gypsy
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 00:49:14

"165 Genoa for beam to upwind & an asymetrical for off wind" this would be my choice. but would you really want a 165% without the possibility of furling it in higher winds? , not sure. maybe the asym and a working jib.

Steve
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 01:20:38

What are the prevailing winds for your sailing area?...Light to moderate, moderate, moderate to heavy?

If it were me I and the prevailing winds were moderate to heavy, I would probably choose a 110% jib and a 150-160% genoa. This arrangement would give you versatility for both light and heavy air, and for running downwind you could simply pole out the genoa instead of flying a spinnaker.

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 10:43:03

I heartily agree with Don. On "This Side Up" I use a light weight 155% (good up to about 5 knots), a heavier 155% (good up to about 15k) and a 105% jib (original 1981 factory sail!) for the really heavy air. I also have a heavy 135% which I've never used (it's for sale if anyone's interested). On a C25 a poled-out 155% genoa is as fast downwind as a chute and a darn sight cheaper!.
Derek

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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 13:45:45

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> On a C25 a poled-out 155% genoa is as fast downwind as a chute and a darn sight cheaper!. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

The C-25 (especially the tall rig) carries a huge chute, and, when it is well-sailed on a good spinnaker run, it walks away from a poled-out 155. Fortunately for those of us who don't have chutes, most sailors who fly them don't have the skill it takes to get the most out of them. It isn't easy to fly a chute well, especially on an inland lake, with relatively short spinnaker runs and shifty winds, and especially with guys like Derek putting them in his wind shadow and collapsing their chutes. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 14:36:04

Thanks for the "compliment", Steve!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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weluvlife
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 21:18:02

Thank you for the nice replies. An answer to one question posed, I sail in winds anywhere from 2 to 10 usually. My objective is to not have a forward v-berth full of sails. Two headsails and one asy spinnaker would work. So, which two headsails? I enjoy the power of larger sails and don't mind the extra work.

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Response Posted - 07/10/2003 : 02:33:09

maybe you could see if any others on this forum are by you and go for a sail with them on their boats with their sails, you may get a better feel for what you want on yours. i would take you out on gypsy but we're on opposite coasts

Steve
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rwdutton
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Response Posted - 07/13/2003 : 16:04:38

We sail "Puff" on LI Sound .. in the summer the wind really varies from none, to little, to storm. If you have ever considered doing some club racing .. or might do so in the future, a 153 genoa is as large as you can get and still maintain your PHRF rating. A 165 can be a big sail to handle if the wind comes up as well.
We have a 153 and a cruising spinnaker, or gennaker, or blooper, or whatever you want to call it. I would love to have a storm sail ... 100% or smaller for the really windy days, but since we have a CDI roller furler, instant sail changes are not in the cards. Maybe my next boat (picture me dreaming and drooling).
Local lofts may be the best place to go for advice ... or C25 skippers in your area.
Have fun!

Bob Dutton
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rwdutton
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Response Posted - 07/13/2003 : 16:10:27

Oops, I forgot to mention that a local loft came up with a great idea for a whisker pole. He used a sailboard mast (carbon fiber therefore very light weight) with a forespar fitting on the rear end and a pointee protected end (photos to follow) on the forward part.
We mounted it on the starboard side and store it inside otherwise. It is seventeen feet long and really helps downwind. I decided against a forespar-like pole because of the weight and the ease with which this new pole can be handled.

Bob Dutton
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