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DPayne
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Initially Posted - 08/04/2003 : 00:54:37

Need some advise

Sadly, we had an unfortunate accident with our 1990 Catalina 25. The truck, trailer, and boat rolled on the freeway. Thankfully, no one was hurt, but all was totaled. As a part of the insurance settlement, I got the titles back and will have to salvage the boat, motor and trailer. The insurance estimate to repair the boat and replace the trailer and Honda 9.9 was $25,000. However, our sailboat dealer believes the boat could be repaired by a do it yourselfer. It would not be feasible to repair commercially due to the cost of labor.

The mast is toast, the hull has damage on the port side amidships and at the stern. All pulpits, stantions are bent, the trailer has a lot of damage but could be repaired and the local dealer has another 25 trailer to get the needed parts from. The wing keel has some damage but is serviceable. The Honda has a chunk out of the housing and the hood is destroyed, but it just might run. Originally, the boat was one of the most pristine 25's I have come across, and desirable because of the best features in the late model and the wing keel. The undamaged parts of the boat, furler, sails, cushions, boom, rudder, winches, tiller, etc, etc are in great shape.

Several questions emerge:
1. Does any one know anyone that salvages sailboats?
2. There are lots of valuable parts on the boat, sails, tackle, cushions. How would I part it out?
3. Anyone out there interested in a big project?

My first desire is to have someone write me a check and I get out. Someone with a lot more time and talent than I have could fix her, or part her out.

Any ideas or any professionals I should talk to?

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MattL
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 01:06:04

Sorry to hear about the accident. I have been in a few, only totaled one car though. Just the sinking feeling afterward is enough. Back to your boat, even if you had the abiliity to do the work yourself it sounds like a tremenous job. Unless you have a great sentament attached to the boat, I'd try and get rid of it and start anew.
Good luck with what ever you decide, and I'm glad no one was hurt.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
E.C. Rider
Cat 25 86'
FK/SR _/)

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 09:08:15

I suggest you give the boat, trailer and motor to the insurance company, and let them decide how to dispose of it. If you end up not being able to get rid of it by sale or by parting it out, you might have to landfill it at considerable expense.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 10:16:26

Wow! What an experience that must have been! I'm so glad all the damage was just to your things and not to you or anybody else! I don't know what's around the Phoenix area, but I've seen some second-hand equipment dealers here in the East. Maybe San Diego... I'm guessing that your insurance company wants nothing to do with it.

A guy named David Lukenbach in Texas did a major C-25 parting-out project a while back--you can search on his name in this forum. I found one post with his website: www.sailingtexas.com/cboats2catalinas.html You might want to contact him.

Another a wild-hare thought: Have you done any business with Catalina Direct? I doubt that they would be interested in anything you've got, but they might know of some options you could explore. If you part it out yourself (a time-consuming project), does your dealer have any suggestions for disposing of the hull?

Sorry that you had to introduce yourself to the forum in this way, but you might get some good ideas here. Not having seen the damage, I think somebody just might be interested in the project, but you might have to essentially give them the whole package and be satisfied with your insurance settlement.

Good luck--I'd say it's your turn for some!

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 10:41:36

It sounds like your insurance company "hired" you to to despose of the boat. And, I doubt that anyone would pay you for a totaled boat with damage more than the boat is worth. A friend just totaled one of my cars and I "gave" it to the repair shop to dispose of. Just to get rid of. It seems to me that you are going to piece out parts. Take pictures and list what's avaiable on the swap meet and see what happens. Maybe someone would be interested in the wing keel if it will fit their boat. I guess I'd go for it, if it were mine. Good luck.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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roberoo
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 11:19:02

Hi,

I am sorry about your loss. However this exact samething happened to me. I just parted out/got rid of my Macgregor 26 and bought a Catalina 26. I was lucky as I was able to part out some of the items and then a young kid bought the boat as a project boat. I paid a "pittance" for the salvage of the boat settled the agreed upon value. And hired My Daughter and Her Boyfriend to "Part out the Boat". They took pictures of the smaller parts and we posted it on a Macgregor Forum. It took off I made the mistake of putting my phone number in the post and My wife and I were getting calls all over the country for everything, Mast, Dagger board, canvas cover etc. It was amazing . It was some trouble but I was able to move up in boat and use the extra money for some additional toys. Also my daughter and her bioyfriend made out okay.

E-Mail me and I can tell you my whole experience with the insurance comapany an everything.

As an aside item. The single most important item for any boatI have found out is Boat insurance with an "Agreed Upon Value".

Sorry this is so long. But don't let the insurance company have the boat if it is even close to salvageable.

Bob

New Owner of the "Stella Blue"

To be renamed in '04 to "Full Manatee II"
Catalina 25 sr/fk

Bob Sirekis
83 SR/FK
Buffalo, New York
New Owner of "Stella Blue" (We will be renaming her proper this coming year)

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jmeadows
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 11:28:05

I certainly don't have the answers your looking for, but wanted to let you know I'm sorry for your loss.
I agree with some of the others and would write it off, there are some good deals out there on late models 25's. I purchased my 89 a little over a year ago and think (hope) the price was far.

All of this said, the most important thing is no one was hurt.

I think I passed your accident a littler after it happen, I was north bound on I17 on the way to the lake.

Anyway I live in Fountain Hills and if I can help you out some way let me know

Jim Meadows
1989 Tall Rig - WK
Lake Pleasant, AZ

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 12:51:58

Doug:

Minneys (http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/) may want some of your stuff.

Glad nobody was hurt!

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 13:37:00

One word: ebay. FYI, I'm still searching on ebay for a Lewmar 7, in case you decide to part out the boat.

Bruce Baker
Falls Church, VA
"Yee Ha" 3573
'83SR/SK

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 13:56:24

Hi, I am very sorry for your loss. Here are two web sites for businesses that sell your salvaged yacht.

http://www.yachtsalvage.com/

http://www.usauctions.com/ (Formerly Bent Boat).

Both sites are interesting. It's a learning experience to look at boats and understand their damage.

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 16:03:06

Doug,
Sorry to hear about your accident. Let me know if I can help in any way, I am in Chandler.

I have a 90' Wing as well and may be interested in some spares if you decide to part it out. The Honda sounds interesting as spares or or a rebuilder I could use a newer motor.

Doug Cavin
1990 C25 TR/WK #6010
"Valkyrie"

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Wahoo
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Response Posted - 08/04/2003 : 19:32:50

Doug
I also am sorry to hear about your loss and glad that no one got hurt. While I have an older model (and a tall rig swinger) I am in NE Phoenix and also might be interested in some spares or interchangable parts (cushions, instruments, sails, etc.)
Feel free to email me directly.

Ron Reinsel
Hoo's Here
1983 Catalina 25 sk/tr
on Lake Pleasant, AZ

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DPayne
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Response Posted - 08/05/2003 : 00:37:21

Thanks for all the replies so far. Pictures of the wrecked boat are at this web site:
http://homepage.mac.com/deedyp/PhotoAlbum5.html

Doug Payne

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/05/2003 : 09:59:46

Wow... glad the accident was a 'walk away'... can you share with us what caused it? (might save somebody else trouble someday)

I don't see any "deep" structural damage to the hull (in the photos anyway.
Has the keel structure been knocked loose or some such ?

At first glance looks like mostly cosmetic damage, rail replacements, some patching & refinishing etc.... of course I can't see much detail from the photos.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:00:16

Ya, that certainly LOOKS like a repairable boat--I was expecting to see crunched transom corners, holes in the hull, pushed in cabin trunk,... That Cat took a beating and seems to have stood up to it!

I recall Charles Wall's story of his C-25 getting tangled up with a power boat on a mooring in a storm--the C-25 beat the hell out of the other boat, and had only a few dings of some sort.

Anyway, I take back what I said about giving it away as a fixer-upper. I can't see the whole story, but what I do see looks pretty good! The hull-deck joint and hull-keel joint are the main issues, from what I see.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 08/05/2003 : 13:08:44

It's amazing to me that the boat could roll over on the freeway and show that little structural damage. The Catalina hull is a lot stronger than I ever thought. I expected major cracks, holes, broken bulkheads, etc.

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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BJ Wagner
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Response Posted - 08/05/2003 : 17:58:14

Doug,

Sorry about your accident. Having experienced an accident while trailering years ago, I know what you are going through.

I can attest to the condition of this boat, because we considered buying it a couple of years ago before we purchased our 1998 C-250WK and it was in pristine condition.

Since I am in the Phoenix area too, if you need any help, please don't hesitate to ask.

Brad
Luna de Miel
C-250 Wing Keel #361
Lake Pleasant, AZ
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DPayne
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 01:31:46

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Wow... glad the accident was a 'walk away'... can you share with us what caused it? (might save somebody else trouble someday)

I don't see any "deep" structural damage to the hull (in the photos anyway.
Has the keel structure been knocked loose or some such ?

At first glance looks like mostly cosmetic damage, rail replacements, some patching & refinishing etc.... of course I can't see much detail from the photos.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25
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DPayne
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 01:43:34

Keel has some dings, trailing edge of one wing may be drooping a bit, but we believe it could be pounded out, hull/keel joint is sound. 18" crack on port side top of hull up to hull/deck joint, damage above that on deck about a 8 inch crack in deck in the non skid, tuff to make a good cosmetic repair there. Forward cabin bulkhead top corner at deck hull meeting point crushed from impact down about 3 inches. This area port side must be where she hit the pavement

Interior galley upper cabinents in considerable disaray, extent of damage unclear. Cracks/crush on deck combing on port side stern<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

Cause of accident not entirely clear. We were trailing a 4200 pound boat plus about 1500 trailer plus 100 pound motor plus gear with a 2002 GMC Envoy, 6200# tow capacity. We were at the limit, but for one trip to CAlifornia a year, thought we would be ok. It is a fairly short wheel base vehicle. Went into a severe fishtail, to not involve traffic in lane to our left, my wife eased onto the berm of freeway at about 50 mph, we believe that caused a jackknife and then the roll. Lesson learned, you need a big ass long wheel base truck to be safe. Will never know if tongue weight was in range though I believe it was from experience of previous owner.

DPayne

Wow... glad the accident was a 'walk away'... can you share with us what caused it? (might save somebody else trouble someday)

I don't see any "deep" structural damage to the hull (in the photos anyway.
Has the keel structure been knocked loose or some such ?

At first glance looks like mostly cosmetic damage, rail replacements, some patching & refinishing etc.... of course I can't see much detail from the photos.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 09:55:03

"Lesson learned, you need a big ass long wheel base truck to be safe."

I share that opinion. A lighter, short wheelbase vehicle tows just fine until you get in an emergency situation. But when things start to go wrong, they won't leave you much room for recovery.

Trailer fishtailing is an amazing phenonema.

IMHO... Sounds like your boat is repairable... a good fiberglass guy can probably make it look like new (and be just as strong)...

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:23:53

4200 lbs? Uhhhhhh.... I think it's a little more than that--like over 5000 lbs with everything aboard. You definitely need more than an Envoy. Also, next time you tow something like that with almost any vehicle, check the tongue weight carefully--it can have a major effect on braking traction--lifting either the front or rear wheels of the tow vehicle.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 16:50:14

Doug,

Looking at the pictures, as others have said, she looks repairable, but who am I to say, just a guy 3000 miles away from you, whose seen a few pictures. Of course how you handle the boat is your decision and I hope you will keep us informed of what you decide and how things go after that.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 11:40:28

Catalina 25 and Macintosh computer... Says a lot about a person. My 82 std rig is a project boat already. I would love to buy tons of your stuff, begining with the Furler. Let me know when you get things sorted out. How is the rudder?

Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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DPayne
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Response Posted - 09/11/2003 : 00:36:00

Here is an update on the wrecked Catalina. We found a buyer. A fellow Lake Pleasant sailer here in Phoenix purchased the whole thing and is working on putting it all back together. He has the time and the "know how" to do most of it himself. That is the only way it makes any sense. We just do not have that kind of time or "know how"! Thanks for all your kind words.

We do have some items for sale (along with our Columbia 22 that we completely restored!) They are listed at http://homepage.mac.com/deedyp/columbia22/forsale.htm

Let us know if you are interested in any of the items listed (including the Columbia!). Everythng else went with the Catalina.

We are in the process of trying to buy a Freedom 28 in Marina del Ray, CA. It is being surveyed right now. We are having it "professionally" brought over to AZ if it passes all inspections. We do hope to spend a few days on it over there in October.

Yes, we are nuts about sailing!

Deedy & Doug Payne
Scottsdale, AZ

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jcon
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Response Posted - 03/15/2005 : 21:37:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DPayne
 Need some advise

Sadly, we had an unfortunate accident with our 1990 Catalina 25. The truck, trailer, and boat rolled on the freeway. Thankfully, no one was hurt, but all was totaled. As a part of the insurance settlement, I got the titles back and will have to salvage the boat, motor and trailer. The insurance estimate to repair the boat and replace the trailer and Honda 9.9 was $25,000. However, our sailboat dealer believes the boat could be repaired by a do it yourselfer. It would not be feasible to repair commercially due to the cost of labor.

The mast is toast, the hull has damage on the port side amidships and at the stern. All pulpits, stantions are bent, the trailer has a lot of damage but could be repaired and the local dealer has another 25 trailer to get the needed parts from. The wing keel has some damage but is serviceable. The Honda has a chunk out of the housing and the hood is destroyed, but it just might run. Originally, the boat was one of the most pristine 25's I have come across, and desirable because of the best features in the late model and the wing keel. The undamaged parts of the boat, furler, sails, cushions, boom, rudder, winches, tiller, etc, etc are in great shape.

Several questions emerge:
1. Does any one know anyone that salvages sailboats?
2. There are lots of valuable parts on the boat, sails, tackle, cushions. How would I part it out?
3. Anyone out there interested in a big project?

My first desire is to have someone write me a check and I get out. Someone with a lot more time and talent than I have could fix her, or part her out.

Any ideas or any professionals I should talk to?

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jcon
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Response Posted - 03/15/2005 : 21:40:33

I am restoring a cat 25 that had some storm damage. Would be interested in purchasing. More info?

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