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tbader
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Initially Posted - 09/05/2003 : 08:34:14

I am about 95% of the way to buying a new 250 WK. I have two questions about available (or not available) options.

First, has anyone had any experience with the no-pole "spinnaker" that is offered as optional equipment. We tend to see a lot of light air and any additional sail area would be helpful, particularly in the club races. I have already decided to go with the 135% genoa.

Second, I don't believe Catalina offers a bimini as an option, is anyone aware of an aftermarket kit that is appropriate for the C250 cockpit.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Tom Bader
Riverton, NJ

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sdaly66
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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 08:38:40

Tom,

I bought a used 250 WB just a month ago, so there are many here who know more than I do.

However, my understanding is that the 135 is a good choice for the wing keel (though it would kill my water-ballast).

I have an after-market drifter (gennaker) that does VERY well in light wind reaches and runs.

Can't help on the bimini thing, though I'd like to find one myself - the sun has been killing me.

Good luck. You could hardly find a better pocket cruiser.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 09:30:28

Tom,

This forum receives a lot of input about the c250... but there hasn't been much offered about the factory offered asymetrical.

If you don't get information here... contact Gary Swenson of Ullman Sails, Ventura, Ca. He may be the designer of the sail your inquiring about and also produces a drifter/reacher for the c250.

http://www.ullmanventura.com/

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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willy
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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 10:03:56

Tom,
Wilmington DE here... I was looking for a 250 on the water two weeks ago when I drove down by the Nursing Home in Riverton where all the boats are moored. Didn't see one!
Regarding the bimini... I bought a 250WB this spring and the bimini WAS a listed option. If that is no longer the case... any dealer should be able to install one. If you choose to do it yourself, take great care in the placement of the "feet". The Biminis for these boats have to have the split backstays run through them and if it is not centered properly, the cover will not fit on correctly when you want it stowed. If the dealer is installing it you may even want to mention the importance. If you do get an aftermarket one, make certain you can open it with a zipper to be able to peak at the windex.
I don't have a drifter for my boat but am toying with the idea of a whisker pole to use just for the jib to make those downwind wing on wings easier.
I heard someone else say this on the forum but have to agree... every time I sail my boat I really think I made the right choice.
Good Luck!
Willy

Edgy, WB#655
Rehoboth Bay, DE

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Rubin Hawkins
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Response Posted - 09/09/2003 : 23:21:31

I have experience with the asymetrical spinnaker. Unforutnately it is limited to moving it from one place to another in the aft berth. My boat came with one and it has never been used. It also came with a 135% Genoa which does not even work on a WB. It has not been used either. I wish I could tell you that I am going to fly that spinnaker this weekend but alas...I am on call again. When I do the digital camera will be put to use.

Rubin
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 00:14:33

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>alas...I am on call again<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Flyboy?Doctor?HVAC?

I know the feeling....(flyboy)

Oscar
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Rubin Hawkins
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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 21:53:11

Oscar,

BioMedical Engineer. Customers are very demanding. Doctors call me for help. The good thing is we charge them an arm and a leg. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pays for this floating RV.

Rubin
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mmodine
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Response Posted - 09/22/2003 : 20:46:24

We bought an asymetrical last year for Luna Maya, 250K #579, and have flown it about a dozen times for great fun. It would be up more often but the boss is still a little leary of it and it comes down (with a sock) above about 8 mph.

We are still fooling around trying to find the right spot for the various blocks.

"Luna Maya" 250K #579

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Dkn420
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Response Posted - 09/22/2003 : 22:33:05

I just took delivery on a 2004 C250 wk, while talking to the dealer he ordered a factory spinnaker for another client in June of this year and hasn't received it yet, so taking Arlyn's advice might be the way to go...and it seems the factory forgot to include the sails when my boat was shipped...they are sending them, but they didn't arrive with the boat....frustrated the dealer more than myself, but I get the impression that this might be a normal thing from the factory...Dan 250wk #727

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 09/22/2003 : 23:01:24

Dan,

I doubt its normal... there is a shipping check list that came with my boat... and everything was checked off. Check for one, it may indicate if the sails weren't shipped or if some mischief took place.

Congrats on the new boat...

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Dkn420
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Response Posted - 09/23/2003 : 00:07:47

Arlyn, Thanks, I'm looking forward to getting the boat in the water as soon as it is finished at the bottom painting shop...the sails were listed on the inventory or shipping check list, they just forgot to put them in the boat, but I expect them tomorrow or the following day, as the factory did overnight them to the dealer...the dealer and factory are doing their best to take care of things, but it was a somewhat humorus oversight...and since it went straight to the bottom painting shop it isn't a problem for me...my main comment was about the spinnaker the dealer ordered in June for another client which still hadn't arrived, which seems odd...perhaps if it is ordered with a new boat it wouldn't be a problem...Dan #727

Enjoyed your article in the Mainsheet from May which was included in the paperwork with the boat...but they did mis-spell your name...another blooper?<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 09/23/2003 : 15:49:18

Rubin

My WB also came with a 135 Genoa for the roller furling and I use it all the time. That and the main are the only two sails that I have. If you are interested in getting rid of the spinnaker, let me know maybe we can work out a deal here.

Jay
Papa's Boat II
250WB #370

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jmorrical
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Response Posted - 10/06/2003 : 23:23:37

Tom,

To your question about a bimini: Last fall I purchased a bimini from The Canvas Store in Huntington, NJ. A long way from Texas I know, but I was frustrated by the local fabricators that never came thru with an agreement to do the work. It is the best money I've spent on my boat. Just today I completed the project by adding a forward fly that is connected to the forward edge of the bimini by a zipper. It covers overhead from the bimini to forward of the open companionway sliding top. That fabric panel is supported by resting on the top of the boom. The bimini is easy to remove because of extensive use of zippers at each bow pocket. There are no holes in my boat as the bimini's main support bow is mounted from the stern seating forward outside rails not restricting the use of the seats. The aft bow is secured overhead by a vertical pole mounted from the top aft rail of each stern seats. The whole frame will rest nicely stacked aft out of the way on these vertical supports when the bimini is not in use. The straps that provide tension and positioning of the structure forward are attached to the stantion rear life line attaching points(abeam of the wenches). This is a great bimini, 7/8" stainless steel hardware and Sunbrella material and is very well made. One problem I had in the deal was getting the backstay positioning correcly located. I think their "model" must have been a water ballast with a tall rig and mine was a 250 WK Std Rig. The measurements on all that rigging are all a little bit different. I had to mail the fabric back for a rework, but it all got worked out. It is a great addition to the boat! Check them out at http://www.thecanvasstore.com/bimini.htm

Jim Morrical
Trilogy III
250WK #401

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Edited by - jmorrical on 10/07/2003 19:32:34

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 10/07/2003 : 12:08:04

Jim,

Would you have any pictures of your set up to post for us to see?
I would like to see the bimini and the fly.

Bryan Beamer
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/07/2003 : 12:20:16

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
First, has anyone had any experience with the no-pole "spinnaker" that is offered as optional equipment. We tend to see a lot of light air and any additional sail area would be helpful, particularly in the club races.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Tom Bader
Riverton, NJ
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
My understanding is that an Asymmetrical chute is tacked ahead of the forestay whereas a drifter or gennaker is tacked within the fore triangle like a normal headsail. This may be an important distinction for you to consider.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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jmorrical
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Response Posted - 10/07/2003 : 19:27:19

Bryan,

My PC is down with a hard drive failure, but as soon as I am up and running again I would be happy to post the photos of the bimini and fly. Give me a couple of days.

Jim Morrical
Trilogy III
250WK #401

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 10/16/2003 : 19:23:25

OK, I'm missing something here. If the whole rig folds aft and stores out of the way, how does the forward pointing bow get past the backstay? Is it not continuous? Or does the fabric detach, unzip aroud the stay(s) and the the bow ties up to the backstay?

I'm kenfewsed.......<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

Oscar
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OK THIS REPLY IS OUT OF SEQUENCE........I think one of the server clocks on the east coast is goobered up.....it's supposed to come two posts down, after the picture, and after Bryan's comittment to look for the fly.....


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jmorrical
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Response Posted - 10/16/2003 : 22:34:48

Bryan,
Here is an old photo of my bimini before the backstay pockets were corrected. I just havent had time to get to the lake to update the photo and include a shot with the fly. I hope to do that tomorrow.

Bimini built by: http://www.thecanvasstore.com/bimini.htm

Jim Morrical
Trilogy III
250WK #401

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 10/16/2003 : 23:21:46

Thanks for the picture Jim. I will look for the one with the fly

Bryan Beamer
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jmorrical
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Response Posted - 10/17/2003 : 00:28:49

Oscar,

There is a zipper in the fabric leading forward from each back stay pocket to the forward bow. This allows the bimini material to be taken back or off completely. As to the forward bow, it must be disconnented from the support hinge, placed in position aft of the back stay and repinned into the hinge. I guess you could just leave it forward of the backstay and in position tied there, but it would be in the way. I have added the standard thumb screw to this so the process requires no tools.
P.S. I'm a CAL pilot too. B737 IAH since 1990.

Jim Morrical
Trilogy III
250WK #401

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 10/17/2003 : 17:39:13

Gotcha.....

EWR 737 CA.... last class at PE in '86
Where do you keep the boat?

Oscar
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jmorrical
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 : 22:48:42

Here are the pictures of the bimini with the fly installed on my Catilina 250 WK. I haven't yet figured out the best way to rig it . The pictures show an extendable pole at the leading edge that helps with the form. I was thinking of PVC poles between gromets for extra rigidity or adding a gromet at the center somewhere to attach forward to the mast providing extra head room below. I am 6'1" and I can stand at the wheel to steer.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce80249d0d33440000001610" border=0>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce80249bb633fc0000001610" border=0>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce80249d1b33520000001610" border=0>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce802497f9b2850000001610" border=0>
Showing the zipper at the forward bimini bow where the fly connects

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024a936b2550000001610" border=0>
The bimini

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024ab5c330e0000001610" border=0>
The zipper pockets at the backstays that allow easy take down

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024ab6a33380000001610" border=0>
Backstay unzipped

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024adb733e60000001610" border=0>
Bimini stowed aft with cover

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024ab4633140000001610" border=0>
View of aft bow support and mandatory BBQ grill

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce802491c4b2bb0000001610" border=0>
Good view of the main support bow mounting (no holes in the deck)

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024adbeb2df0000001610" border=0>
All bows stowed aft

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024a76db2090000001610" border=0>
Bonus picture of add-on pedestal guard, table and cup holders

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce01b3127cce8024a70233560000001610" border=0>
Compact poly table

I hope the photos help with your ideas for improving the utility of your boat.

Jim Morrical
Trilogy III
250WK #401

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 00:32:09

Thanks for the pics. Jim

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MattL
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 00:55:25

Jim,
Looking at your photos, I am down right envious of your glorious cockpit after spending hours in my plain jane c25<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 22:40:45

Nice setup, thanks for the pics. One question....are you absolutely sure that eight cupholders is going to be enough?
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Oscar
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jmorrical
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 09:58:14

Oscar,

I am defending my excessive cup holder arrangement with the following points. (1) The two on the table are not usually accessible under sail so I don't count them. (2) Often, the pedstal mounted holders are used for securing the handheld VHF and GPS. (3) West Marine must have been having a sale. (4) You can never have too many. (5) I CAN'T COUNT.

Jim Morrical
Trilogy III
250WK #401

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