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Bubba
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Initially Posted - 09/07/2003 : 21:08:51

I have a Nissan 8hp long shaft outboard on my '97 C-250wk. Since I can get maybe 10 degrees of steering out of it before the cowling or tiller hits the boat, I leave it set straight ahead. This makes for lots of fun getting into my slip, especially when the wind is up. I've read posts about other outboards not having this problem and admired Arlyn's soft link system. Since I'm not ready to spring for a new outboard, I was wondering if anyone has had experience with a high/low motor mount similar to this. Will the stern hold it? I figure if I can set the motor back a few inches it will clear the stern and I might have a bit more maneuverability.
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arlingva
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Response Posted - 09/07/2003 : 21:27:15

A much simpler mount is now available from Catalina which will take care of your problems. I t doesn't have the advantage of lowering the motor, but it moves it away from the transom and may be less expensive.

Bill

Bill Swanson
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 09/08/2003 : 15:32:30

When you indicate that the motor wont turn much... is that perhaps because of the restriction of location caused by the small motor mount area? Earlier C250s had a smaller plate on the transom forcing the motor toward port and causing the interference with turning.

If this is the case, the cheapest and best fix is to remove the small plate... get another piece of the starboard plastic and make a larger mounting plate. A large hole will need to be made for the scupper...no problem. I found such a piece at Harbor Freight and Tool disguised as a cutting board.

Mounting the motor as far to starboard as possible should increase the turning movement a great deal. This works on the new Honda 8/9.9s and may work on yours.

Additional pluses are:

<ul><li>That the motor remains in the motor well where the shifter and throttle are easy to reach... this is a big plus when docking. </li><li>That the motor wont cavitate as as much as it would farther aft off the transom </li><li>Replacing the mounting plate is far easier and cheaper than adding a motor mount </li></ul>

The last comment is that a long shaft is admittedly kind of short for a wing keel model. C/B models could get by with it as they are 4-5 inches deeper in the water. For lake sailing it should be fine, but if presented to significant swell... it will be inadequate.
For more rugged conditions, a lifting mount may be the right answer or perhaps the one that Bill suggest from Catalina as long as it can be mounted a bit lower.

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 09/08/2003 : 20:14:01

Thanks Bill, I'll check on the Catalina mount.
Arlyn, my outbord clamps directly to the transom. There is no separate plate. I don't have a picture handy, but suffice to say that the motor bumps the boat on both sides of the well it's mounted in. If it were just the outboard tiller that was hitting, I would move it to starboard. Unfortunately, there's a flange that guards the starter button and choke that bumps on the other side. Even a couple of inches setback would allow that to clear.

It just hit me: what you said about the mounting plate... There is no plate <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>!!! If I added one it would make the transom thicker and would set the motor back because the threaded mounting clamps are on the inboard side of the motor bracket. That might be just enough to get the clearance I need. I have some measuring to do this weekend. One problem with buying a used boat: it's not always obvious what's missing.

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Rubin Hawkins
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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 22:03:58

Bubba,
I have a Tohatsu 9.9 2 stroke. I think it is the same size as the Nissan you have. My mount is fixed but extends past the transom about 6 or 8 inches. This is an after market mount but I do not know the details. It was on when the boat was purchased. The motor's tiller or a softlink work quite well and without obstruction. The tiller is always up when I use a softlink. Perhaps I have to lift the tiller slightly if I use that. I do not recall it being an annoyance in any case.

Just let me know if you would like a picture. Posting one is no problem.

Rubin
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 09/11/2003 : 09:08:35

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I found such a piece at Harbor Freight and Tool disguised as a cutting board.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Arlyn, How long have you had this piece up? Have you found any discoloration? One of the reasons "Starboard" charges a premium is because they claim to put in UV inhibitors which avoid yellowing.....

Oscar
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 09/11/2003 : 09:31:27

Since December of 2000... no yellowing yet.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Bubba
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Response Posted - 09/14/2003 : 19:46:25

I took another look this weekend and I need at least 2 inches setback for the outboard to clear on both sides. So, I plan to get by until haul-out and then add a mount. I'll post a picture when it's done. Here's a look at the tight fit.
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mmodine
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Response Posted - 09/22/2003 : 20:40:06

I use a lowering motor mount similar to the one in your picture to hold a 15 hp Honda on our 250K.

I added a piece of cutting board plastic on the outside to protect the fiberglass from the metal mounting brackets on the motor mount and backed up the bolts on the inside with2"x1/4" strap.

It hasn't fallen off in three years!

"Luna Maya" 250K #579

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 09/22/2003 : 21:13:26

Dave and Deb,

Has the possibility of removing the tiller handle and remounting it on a modified mount which places it forward been examined. While your motor doesn't appear as tight in the well as the Honda, the tiller arm does seem to extend outward more than seems necessary. Also, it appears that the shifting lever may be on the starboard side... causing a problem as the motor rotates compared to mine which can be mounted fully to starboard.

On my boat, the tiller arm is never used for any operation other than the throttle and start/stop buttons... so remounting on an angle bracket that disallowed any up/down movement wouldn't hurt anything.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Bubba
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Response Posted - 09/23/2003 : 21:14:46

Arlyn, I hadn't thought of remounting the tiller handle. I'll look at how it's attached this weekend.

Dave & Deb
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mday
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Response Posted - 09/24/2003 : 14:22:42

I agree with Arlyn. The tiller handle on my Evinrude 9.9 4-stroke (which looks much larger than yours in the well) extends out the front and allows the motor to turn as much as possible. From your picture, if you had that setup you'd be able to turn your motor much further than my fat Evinrude.

Max Day
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