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dhunt
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Initially Posted - 09/18/2003 : 22:10:26

Hello everyone . . . I'm new to the forum . . . just bought a '78 C-25 in the same marina as my Ensenada . . . 2nd sail and the roller furling is STUCK!! FIRST MATE tried to roll it up on the way into the marina and the drum only turns about three times . . . I bundled it up and made it to the slip but will be working on it in the morning. I AM CLUELESS!! I've always raised my foresails an I LOVED the convenience of the furler both times it worked. So what's the deal you think . . . stuck upper swivel(?). How do I fix it? Where do I start? Also, I need to replace the running rigging that the motor-boater I bought the C from installed . . . Is there a table of line sizes and lengths for mainsheet and traveller controls? Thanks for your help

fair winds all

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/18/2003 : 23:41:27

Hi David,

I'm sure the experts are going to ask what make and model furler you have, when they get back from power outages and whatever.

My only thought is to ask, did your First Mate keep tension on the sheet while hauling on the furling line? I've noticed with my friends furlers that if we don't keep adequate tension on the sheet the sail will only furl about half to two-thirds before exhausting the furling line. However, you mentioned stuck, so that may not be the problem.

Regarding lengths for running rigging, I've never found any specs in any of the documentation, and some of them are personal preference. However, my friendly West Marine manager happened to know them all by heart. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Best of luck,

J.B. Manley
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frich
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Response Posted - 09/19/2003 : 08:26:46

Hi david

welcome to the group! What i have done in the past to resolve this is as follows. On a calm day manually pull the jib / Genny out manually ( having someone pull on the clew. While this person still has tension on the sail you stationed at the furler manually roll it in by turning the furler body. Make sure your sheets (lines) are loose. When u get the sail wound all the way continue winding so you get a few wraps of the lines around the sail. This should do the trick

Frank R
84 C25 SK

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/19/2003 : 11:23:43

We need to know the make of your furler--particularly whether it's CDI or not. If so, ignore the following... If not, try to see whether the jib halyard is wrapping on the stay above the swivel as you turn the drum. That could mean a stuck swivel (least likely), insufficient halyard tension, or an improperly led halyard. Make sure your jib halyard is winched tightly enough to be pulling the furler drum up against whatever holds it down (such as a shackle to the stem fitting). Often, a small block on the mast is used to lead the halyard down and then out to the swivel, which gives the halyard better purchase to hold the top of the swivel from turning. If you have such a block, is the halyard running through it?

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 09/19/2003 : 11:43:48

It makes a difference whether you have a single line furler or a two-line furler.

The most likely problem is that you have a sigle-line furler which has had an inadequate amount of furling line rolled onto the drum. When you unfurl (deploy) the sail, the line is rolling onto the drum and making it turn backwards. When you pull on the line to furl the sail, it stops half way.

Follow Dave Bristol's recommendations, and that should solve the problem.

Other possibility: the messenger line for the halyard is twisting around the foil in some way and locking it up.

Dave on "Wood Duck" (#2616)

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/20/2003 : 18:21:21

Dave, Did anyone mention the furling line jamming in the drum? On the open drum CDI furler the line sometimes slips past one of the retaining fingers and causes a bind. I hate this one because it means a trip forward usually when you're bushed and or the weather has gotten snotty. But consider the positive aspects of furling sails.

Val on Calista # 3936

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dhunt
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Response Posted - 09/21/2003 : 20:19:21

Thank you all - what a wonderful group! . . . In the daylight the problem revealed itself as MINOR!! An unused halyard was just loose enough that the upper swivel had snagged it . . . I love the 25, she sails like a dream! I have lots of questions and will be asking them as we bring Solitare back to former glory. She was a Great Lakes boat for 20 years before making her way to Georgia . . . she's found an appreciative home. Thanks again.

David Hunt

fair winds all

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