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cch
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Initially Posted - 10/21/2003 : 08:10:00

After great comments and suggestions from the forum I am replacing the standing rigging on Moonglade. The PO had installed spreader boots and I had never seen what was under them until this weekend. I am not sure if the small wire wrapped around my spreaders is the best way for this to be put together.

How is the connection between upper stays and spreaders usually made?

I feel I will put spreader boots on again so it is more about function that how it looks.
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Chris Hunsicker
Panama City FL
Moonglade
80 C25 #2126 sr/sk
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 09:32:32

Hi Chris,

It looks like your PO did the job about right. The little wire is there to hold the upper shroud to the spreader tip. Your photos appear to be pretty much how Catalina described the process.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 09:46:22

Chris,

I'm not entirely sure, but it looks like you may have the old aluminum spreader bracket casting. If you do, you may want to consider installing the newer stainless steel bracket while you are upgrading the standing rigging.

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<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 08:15:46

Chris, I agree with Don. The photo that shows your spreader base does look like the old aluminum bracket. That bracket was originally designed with only up to about a 125% jib in mind, and protected waters sailing. Of course, within a couple years of the boat being introduced, skippers were racing with 155% genoa jibs, spinnakers, and in strong winds. Mast failures were inevitable.

I don't remember the exact year, but it seems like the early eighties, Catalina introduced the SS spreader base as an "in-line" production change and recommended skippers of previously produced boats retro-fit to the new stainless steel system. That recommendation is a good one. The ~$50 expense for the new spreader base is pretty inexpensive insurance compared to the expense associated with a catastrophic mast failure.

Also, the wooden spreader tips on older boats were replaced with delrin (sp) plastic spreader tips at around the same time.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 12:36:13

Bill,

I have the same concern as you and Don, and my brackets do appear to be the old design. My question is that the old aluminum brackets are cast and on my brackets the socket is welded to the plate which leads me to believe they are stainless. What do you think?
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Chris Hunsicker
Panama City FL
Moonglade
80 C25 #2126 sr/now wk
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 13:43:17

Chris -

Those are the newer brackets

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 14:43:21

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Chris -

Those are the newer brackets

D. Wolff -
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Duane said it
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That settles it
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 19:15:34

Works for me!
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Chris Hunsicker
Panama City FL
Moonglade
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 21:56:46

Chris, the function of the wire, it should be told, is ONLY to hold the shroud wire into the slot in the spreader tip, NOT to locate it or prevent it from moving. The wire will shrink or elongate according to its needs and load,the wire should let it do so. The socket of the spreader is supposed to set the proper angle for the spreader arm or tube, which is supposed to bisect the angle made in the wire as it passes over, on its way to the masthead. Hopefully this minor clarification does not further obfuscate matters, god bless, ron srsk Orion

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Response Posted - 10/23/2003 : 01:53:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ronrryan
 Chris, the function of the wire, it should be told, is ONLY to hold the shroud wire into the slot in the spreader tip, NOT to locate it or prevent it from moving. The wire will shrink or elongate according to its needs and load,the wire should let it do so. god bless, ron srsk Orion
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Ron,
I noticed the shroud was able to slide through the wire easily so I am going to try to put it back together exactly as it was.

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