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skipn809
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Initially Posted - 10/19/2003 : 15:01:37

Here are three photos of the bimini fit under a tall rig. I posted specs and infrmation on the feet mounted on the jib tracks in another post (Dave Bristol bimini).

The first photo shows the bimini in a stowed position. The feet are located on the track in the same position as for sailing with a transom mount traveller.

The second photo shows the feet moved and the bimini raked to sail with a cabin mounted traveller. In this position you would not lose any of the mainsail trim because of the rake. If you don't mind a little lift from the topping lift, you could do without the rake, and sail a little depowered on a close reach.

The bimini is not tight because I have not placed the tie downs for the straps yet. I may double them back to the bimini bows and fasten them there rather than drill more holes on the deck.

I cut 4 inches from the legs to get this fit, and I think I can cut 2 more to get a little better fit.

The last photo shows a cabin top traveller system on a Capri 26 that I plan on copying for my boat.

More photos can befound at: http://www.missouri.edu/~jcn8d1/boat/

<img src="http://www.missouri.edu/~jcn8d1/boat/07.jpg" border=0>
<img src="http://www.missouri.edu/~jcn8d1/boat/14.jpg" border=0>
<img src="http://www.missouri.edu/~jcn8d1/boat/13.jpg" border=0>
<img src="http://www.missouri.edu/~jcn8d1/boat/02.jpg" border=0>

Skip 1985 C-25 T/R #5121 "Corporal Punishment" N.E. Mo.

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Chip Hunt
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Response Posted - 10/19/2003 : 15:22:47

doesnt look like you can tack without the boom hitting the bimini...

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skipn809
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Response Posted - 10/19/2003 : 16:31:05

Yes, I can tack. I don't wait for the tide to change to take me back to the marina.

That is the camera angle, and the sail on top of the boom. I had to raise the boom about a foot to clear the bimini. It only really affects the sail shape on a close haul. Not a perfect system, but it sure beats cooking in the sun in the summer.

Skip 1985 C-25 T/R #5121 "Corporal Punishment" N.E. Mo.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 10/19/2003 : 20:14:05

I wonder how much adding a 6" 'Tabernacle' under the mast base would change the balance of the rig/boat .... ?

Of course, you'd have to extend all your standing rigging.

WOTAM - '77 Catalina 25 SK/SR Sail Number 158

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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 : 10:14:21

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I wonder how much adding a 6" 'Tabernacle' under the mast base would change the balance of the rig/boat .... ?
Of course, you'd have to extend all your standing rigging.
WOTAM - '77 Catalina 25 SK/SR Sail Number 158
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The tall rig already alters the intended righting moment of the design. I think Skip needs to cut down the Bimini like most of the TR's do.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 : 11:00:11

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The bimini is not tight because I have not placed the tie downs for the straps yet. I may double them back to the bimini bows and fasten them there rather than drill more holes on the deck.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Skip,

Web loops with D rings around handholds and stern pulpit will keep you from having to install padeyes.
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J.B. Manley
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 05:43:38

Color me . . . skeptical. The boom in the pictures is considerably higher than mine is when sailing unreefed. And mounting a cabin-top traveler kills the poptop, which I enjoy at anchor or dock (I'm 6'3").

To use the boom at that height Skip is either sailing with a reef in or has cut down his mainsail (or flies a SR main). OR he has one heck of a belly in that sail.

Brooke

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skipn809
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 : 19:59:08

Like I said, I had to raise the end of the boom about a foot to clear the bimini when close hauled. Otherwise, I let the topping lift out on other points of sail, unless I have a lot of tacking to do.

Yes, it does have a lot of belly in the sail when raised to clear. If I am that concerned about sail trim, I lower the bimini and trim it properly. I sail about a 5 mile pool (inland lake) so I am not concerned about speed. If I race I go top down, and get on with it.

I am not a tall guy--5'10"-- and I seldom stay overnight. However, 2 of my last 3 boats had pop tops, and I never used them, so this works for me.

Skip 1985 C-25 T/R #5121 "Corporal Punishment" N.E. Mo.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 15:57:05

Skip, if you only have to raise the aft end of the boom by about a foot, have your sailmaker add a reefing cringle to the leech of your mainsail about a foot high. You can release your boom vang, and then raise the aft end of the boom to that cringle, and your sail will still have good shape for beating to windward. Adding a cringle is not expensive.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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skipn809
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Response Posted - 10/22/2003 : 20:10:08

You know, that is a good idea. Come to think of it, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who just got a new loose footed main, and he does that to clear his bimini now that he has one. Thanks for the input.

Skip 1985 C-25 T/R #5121 "Corporal Punishment" N.E. Mo.

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