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Oscar
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Initially Posted - 10/23/2003 : 19:09:25

(Theme from "Once upon the time in the West")

Showdown at the Catalina Corral.....high noon, actually 16.30 PST/19.30EST on October 30th I will be "conferencing" with Kent Nelson and Gerry Douglas. The topic of discussion will be The 3rd Generation Rudder, and how it works...or doesn't.

Apart from the questions on everyones mind "Why is the WB rudder a foot or so shorter than the WK rudder?" and "Why are the leading edges cracking?" and "Why does it not provide adequate control" and (most important) "What are you going to do about it?" is there anything else (regarding this subject) you folks want to remind me of

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay on the Chesapeake

Lady Kay IV, Dragonfly 25 # 54 Former C30#618-C250WB#618-C42#76

Edited by - Oscar on 10/23/2003 19:11:39

HGraham
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Response Posted - 10/23/2003 : 19:39:19

Oscar; I've got a 3rd Gen, and have been out a total of eight times this season. NO PROBLEMS. From light air to 20 mph gusts. The boat handled beautifully. Friends were whiteknuckled, at times, but she never rounded up by herself. Just compensated with the mainsheet, like I used to do with the daysailor. I even got to try the fixed tiller method, steering with the mainsheet. That worked.
But, that's lake sailing. (Spruce Run & Round Valley in NJ. Near the Solberg VOR) Have you ever been to Nokamixon?

Harry

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 10/23/2003 : 19:46:09

I've had her round up with the main all the way released...just on the jib and the vang.......(in well over 20mph gusts)

I've seen your boat. In fact I had a spot at Spruce Run, just never got around to coming out there. Too much fun on the Chesapeake. In fact my sailing buddies are parked in front of you....S2023/S-2/and a Catalina 22 (for sale) now a Seaward 23.

I've been to Nokamixon, just havent sailed her there. Just splashed her enough to test my AC with a generator on the dock a couple of weeks ago.

You speak VOR?

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay on the Chesapeake

Edited by - Oscar on 10/23/2003 19:52:07

cathluk
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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 08:35:02

Oscar -

Another thought about rounding up. We had a problem our first year (2nd generation rudder then) w/ rounding up in our WK. Turns out we had way too much weight in the back & the bow was too light so we had a lot of contact w/ the water on the relatively flat area aft of the keel, but very little up front. We move some storage up front & added some sand bags & noticed an immediate difference. (We now have a 3rd generation rudder - which has improved control while heeling considerably.)

I hope your converstaion goes well. Please post a report.

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 13:22:10

Yeah Oscar I'm sure you had this in your head...BEACHING RUDDER, would be nice in the shallows...one reason I went with WB over fin...gain a few inches...would be nice to gain a few more with a kick up (all aside from handling, which you think would be a given) Good luck, eager to hear the results of your pow wow. Good luck!

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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 19:50:11

Oscar I talked with Kent on Friday about the cracks/flaking chips of gelcoat on my rudder. I figured strike while the iron is hot. I am supposed to e-mail him some pictures of my rudder this weekend and then call him next week about it (I intend to lobby for a kick up type rudder). I will keep on the pressure from here. I did mention the ongoing discussion on this forum about this problem and the rudder problem in general. Good Luck
BTW He did mentionn that Frank was in on the recent conversations about the rudder.

Edited by - Ray Seitz on 10/25/2003 19:53:35

Oscar
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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 00:04:25

Way to go....if enough people ask we might get what we want, and IMHO rightfully deserve.

Oscar,no pic, in Atlanta making BU's

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 12:10:09

Ray, I showed my dealer the stress cracks and a rep from Catalina came right to my boat, took the rudder and is getting it repaired at the Morgan plant here in FL. Although I'm sure the fix is a bandaid, at least it is getting done. Keeping my fingers crossed about yours and Oscars fight for the kick up...add me to the list!!!!!!!!! Been looking for one for some time now. Good luck!

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