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GeorgeB
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Initially Posted - 10/26/2003 : 21:31:54

Hello

I would like to benefit from the experience of some one who has relocated the mainsheet traveler system from the transom to a location in the cockpit. Two locations come to mind, just below the end of the boom. ( Maybe even shorten the boom a few inches) Or just aft of the companion way.

I recognize that any location will be a compromise. If some one has moved the traveler to a cockpit location I'd like to hear about the pro's and con's from your perspective.

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George Barton
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Shawn
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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 21:56:16

George
I am in the process of re-locating my traveler just aft of the companionway. I will try to post results when I complete the job and sail with it a few times. Check out the cabin top mount on tech tips, I think the boat is Bon Bon.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 23:42:33

Here is a couple of treads that cover this subject

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4717

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4741

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77Gypsy
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 01:54:38

My old Hunter 23 ha the traveler exactly aft of her companion way hatch, i've only had one person trip on it. I was brainstorming the idea to myself for gypsy. I need to think about it some more because i want to be certain the traveler is secure there. maybe some plywood on the inside, under the cockpit seats as backing plates. i have some preliminary drawings I put together if you are interested.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 15:33:41

osmepneo has her traveler in the cockpit, just aft of the companionway. It makes leaning against the companionway wall difficult, if not impossible, and both the traveler and main sheet are always under someone's legs. Wouldn't be a bad position if you have a crew ready to trim the mainsail, and will leave you free to drive.

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GeorgeB
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 : 11:54:08

Shawn, Bryan, Steve, Don:

Guys thank you all for your input. It was valuable to have your perspective. I sail so much solo or with a small experience crew( my Wife) That I over looked the issues of legs in the way of the traveler adjustments. This will take some more thought.

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 : 18:20:37

One idea I haven't seen discussed but could be workable is converting to mid-boom sheeting by installing the C27 cabin-top traveler hardware on your C25. It might also be possible to use a C27 boom on the C25 mast to be able to get all of the built-in sheaves that go with that system (you would also get a couple of extra feet of boom length that would let you use a C27 mainsail--THAT might be an exciting piece of engineering

). The width of the cabin tops are the same and the conversion should be possible with little effort (and lots of money).

The idea I keep working at is how to attach a traveler to the top of the stern railing. Getting it up that extra foot or so can make it a lot easier to work back there. I'm still hurting from the sheet ropes I took in the throat last month while trying to start my outboard...

Rich Kokoska

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atgep
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 : 19:02:52

I was looking at the cabintop after being clothes-lined last week. The potential problem I see on Hn 5775 is the windows. Where the traveller would mount ideally about 18 in fwd of companionway hatch puts it right in the middle of the large windows. I would be affraid there is not enough meat in the structure to carry the loads. I would think the bottom of compaionway would be the best compromise. I am looking at doing it on a shelf of sorts that is only as wide as the footwell. It would allow full use of the seats(I think) It would allow for a descent bimini anyways. The structure there would be easy to beef up. Sorry it is the aviation structural mechanic in me! For some things failure is not an option.

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 10/30/2003 : 18:31:39

"Where the traveller would mount ideally about 18 in fwd of companionway hatch puts it right in the middle of the large windows. I would be affraid there is not enough meat in the structure to carry the loads."

Atgep, I replaced my stock traveler bar (technically, the rod is called the "horse") and I can tell you that there is not a whole lot of "meat" in that transom coaming edge where the factory put it. in fact, the cockpit side of the seat coaming that runs down from the edge where the "horse" bolts on is only the thickness of the inner and outer liner--perhaps 6 millimeters at best! So bolting a mid-boom bar on the cockpit roof with some washers or wooden support platform should be a great improvement in traveler engineering...

Rich Kokoska

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skipn809
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Response Posted - 10/30/2003 : 21:00:30

Dittos with what Rich said.

I plan on putting a S/S backing plate under my traveller when I mount it on the cabin top. I figure it will destroy a sail before it takes the cabin top off.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 10/30/2003 : 21:50:49

It could be a new version of the POP TOP

! I excell at fixing broken aircraft parts,not too much in the design/engineering. My traveler in on the stern rail (1988) and is fairly substantial. I do need to replace the car and the pulleys so I was thinking that re-locating might be benificial as I could just buy a new combo. I have been hit pretty hard by some gusts before (not in the 25). Looking at where the traveller would be did not sit too well with me. To me any kind of failure of the coach-top could mean a one way trip South. I am certain that I can beef up the area around the companionway to handle this and not be too visible on the inside. Just my 2c worth.

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Rollins
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Response Posted - 11/01/2003 : 21:01:47

Traveler placement seems to be on the mind of practically every Cat25 owner. Did anyone ever get info on the Jaguar traveler bar that is aft of the companionway, just below the cockpit seat tops?

For the past several weeks, I have been crewing on a J/24 in weekend races. This past weekend, the winds finally forced us to reef the main, switch to a 100% headsail, and we still had water on the deck, about six inches up from the towrail much of the time. What a ride!!! And what a strain on the traveler and mainsheet system.

On the J/24, the traveler is mounted about 2/3 of the way forward of the stern, and in a recess just below the level of the deck. This location pulls directly down on the back of the boom, and is very effective is shaping the main; as it seems to be the perfect point to apply downward pressure. It is only as wide as the cockpit opening, but still provides plenty of traveler width. I also noticed that when we had heavy weather, the helmsman had really good position to handle the tiller and let the traveler and/or mainsheet out when overpowered. Surely there is some way to copy this setup onto our C25s. The J/24 traveler support appears to be made of wood; but its plenty strong!

Mike Rollins
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Rollins
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Response Posted - 11/01/2003 : 21:06:21

One more thing on J/24s that us Cat25ers don't have to say . . .

The helmsman always says "Tacking, watch your head". I failed to heed this warning once when we had to tack twice rounding the mark to yield right-of-way. It only took 10-15 seconds for the light to come back on

. And the sound a swinging boom makes when hitting the side of one's head is quite distinct. When he says 'watch your head', he's not kidding!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/02/2003 : 10:36:15

Our problem is all of the hatch doors on our seats.

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 11/02/2003 : 21:37:50

Frank--I tuck my weatherboards under the front of the starboard berth, where they are held in place by simple bungee cords. Keeps them from flying around, and gives them a nice secure home.

On travellers, I recommend the article in Sail Magazine Issue No. 9, volume 34 (this September). It is a fairly exhaustive examination of different traveller locations, issues of leverage, and how to rig mid-boom sheeting systems.

I thought about this a lot the first two seasons with "Wood Duck", looked at several other C25's with mainsheet travellers mounted in the front of the cockpit, and finally decided to live with the good ol'end boom system that came with the boat. I single hand mostly, and I guess I have just got used to making sure I don't get clotheslined by the mainsheet. It is an expensive modification if it is done right, but if you decide to go ahead, Harken has all the hardware to make a cabintop system work on a C25, including a "bridge" which will lift the track above the pop top roof. Last time I checked, the entire system, without line, cost in the neighborhood of $800.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/02/2003 : 22:45:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by deastburn
 Frank--I tuck my weatherboards under the front of the starboard berth, where they are held in place by simple bungee cords. Keeps them from flying around, and gives them a nice secure home.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I was trying to explain to Rollins that our fuel locker, lazerette and rope locker all have lids that make up the majority of seating on our cockpit area. So the J-24 type of traveler will not work and our only option is directly in front of the companionway if we want to put it in the cockpit. I said it very pooorly. My oldest daughter took my camera to Lawrence for the weekend and I will not be able to post my new traveler control system until she gets back. I am going to leave my traveler on the transome and on the horse. I am upgrading the components.
I do need to do what you do with my crib boards. I bought 40ft of 3/8 and 40ft of 5/16 bungie so I have some to make those crib board holders! Arlyn, need to borrow some bungie?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/03/2003 : 21:57:42

This is my solution to improve traveler control.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 11/04/2003 : 21:33:18

That's one of those new 'snap cleats' mounted on that swivel?
Looks like the 'hot' set up.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/04/2003 : 22:08:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 That's one of those new 'snap cleats' mounted on that swivel?
Looks like the 'hot' set up.
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I thought I was ordering a head knocker for the boom, so I could run the mainsheet from it, (instead of the Harken 140). When it got here from Layline it was designed for smaller line than the mainsheet. I thought it over and e'voila. I think it is going to work really well. I had to order a second one so now I don't have the money for the one that goes on the boom.

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