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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 10/27/2003 :  15:34:45  Show Profile
ok so i lead my main halyard aft through a block then spinlock cleat then around an optional winch.

my question is: When raising the main from the cockpit have any of you ever had problems with he luff getting out of the mast and having to move forward to keep stuffing it in as the sail is being raised. I have not raised the mast yt since my new modiication and thought if the luf would leave the track, the whole project would be useless.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  15:50:51  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by 77Gypsy</i>
<br />ok so i lead my main halyard aft through a block then spinlock cleat then around an optional winch.

my question is: When raising the main from the cockpit have any of you ever had problems with he luff getting out of the mast and having to move forward to keep stuffing it in as the sail is being raised. I have not raised the mast yt since my new modiication and thought if the luf would leave the track, the whole project would be useless.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I thought everyone used mast gates. If you don't have mast gates then for heavens sake get them!!
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  16:34:09  Show Profile
I don't have mast gates and don't have this problem. If your boom is adjusted to the proper height, and if you have a stopper in the kerf just above the enlarged slot in the kerf so the luff slides can't come out, this should not be an issue. The stoppers are sold at West Marine.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  18:20:30  Show Profile
The problem he is taking about it sounds like he has a boltrope luff and no slugs.
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  18:53:01  Show Profile
OH! That never occurred to me in all the postings about mast gates. Now I understand! I didn't know sails were made for the C25 without slugs.

Brooke
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deastburn
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  18:57:21  Show Profile
If you've set up the main halyard to raise and lower from the cockpit, it makes sense to lead the reefing line aft as well. To do this, you need mast gates, and I recommend you go to the Tech Tips and look there for a simple solution using aluminum carpet threshold. I have everything led aft, since I nearly always single hand, and the single line reefing solution led aft is a major plus.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  22:17:51  Show Profile
If he's hoisting from the cockpit, he doesn't likely have a bolt rope. A stopper above the mast gate is the simplest solution, but it gets in the way for reefing... If you want to reef, mast gates allow the slugs (and sail) to go as far down toward the boom as possible, without falling out.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 :  22:31:02  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
If Gypsy has a bolt rope you can still get a pre-feeder that will usually prevent problems. Nice ones have balls that spin.
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 :  01:02:44  Show Profile
If he DOES have a mainsail with a boltrope, he'd be much better off spending money on a new or modified main with slugs than on the helm conversion he's thinking about in another thread.

Brooke
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 :  22:48:56  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com</i>
<br />If Gypsy has a bolt rope you can still get a pre-feeder that will usually prevent problems. Nice ones have balls that spin.
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That'll get it up--how does he get it down (from the cockpit)?? The "luff getting out" has to be slugs as they pass the gate.
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 :  23:27:47  Show Profile
After 'slugging the main' on my V23, I'd never go back to a boltrope.

You can do this yourself for about $50 (slugs, sail shackles, heavy duty grommets and rental on the grommet setting tool. (sailrite.com)
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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 :  00:42:38  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ClamBeach</i>
<br />After 'slugging the main' on my V23, I'd never go back to a boltrope.
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I second that! My first sailboat, a MacGregor 25SK, came with only a boltrope. One of the people in my sailing club turned me on to slugs (I was clueless back then), and the improvement in convenience and speed of raising and lowering sail was so wonderful!

Only serious, fanatical racers would prefer a boltroped main to one with slugs, I have heard there is a amall but significant (to racers 1/100 of a second is important) difference in performance and pointing abilty between slugs and boltrope main.
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