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CKidd
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Initially Posted - 11/09/2003 :  22:09:27  Show Profile
<font face="Arial">I am considering the purchase of either a 1983 or 1986 SK Cat 25. From what I have been reading, I understand that there were several design improvements starting in 1986, but I'm only aware of the changes made in the windows. Q: What were the other improvements made? Also, one of the boats that I have looked at has on its hulls several small areas where the gelcoat appears to be flaking off. Where it has flaked/blistered off, there seems to be a shiny gelcoat surface underneath. The boat's hull has never been painted and I'm just curious what's going on with the hull's gelcoat. Can those areas be successfully repaired and restored or is this boat a candidate for having a painted hull? Any insight here would be appreciated.

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Dan86
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Response Posted - 11/09/2003 :  22:13:09  Show Profile
Be sure to check spreader brackets, gudgeons, and integrity of the rudder. There are lots of great people on this site that can guide you through the changes as they occured. I believe many good safety changes were made in the 86 year or so. I am sure others will chime in, Welcome. dan 86 Tall rig / fin keel
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cvwall
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  09:01:29  Show Profile
That may not be gelcoat flaking off, rather an epoxy barrier coat that was improperly applied (failure to thoroughly clean hull with appropriate solvent to assure removal of mold relase, wax, etc.)
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  09:36:24  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">one of the boats that I have looked at has on its hulls several small areas where the gelcoat appears to be flaking off.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Is it peeling above or below the boat's water line?
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  10:17:51  Show Profile
Hi Chris,

A previous owner had painted over the gelcoat on my boat's hull ... I didn't know it had been painted. I kept trying to polish it, but nothing worked. When the paint started peeling off, I finally realized what was going on ... painting over gelcoat can be a disaster! I used about 40 single-edge razor blades, fiberglass-friendly paint remover, and LOTS of elbow grease to get it all off ... 'took five days.

I don't know if it's paint you're seeing that's peeling off, but that would be my first guess ... especially since you say "there seems to be a shiny gelcoat" underneath. If you get the paint off and polish the gelcoat, you'd be amazed at the results ... just ask the Master, Steve Madsen!

Good luck in finding your new boat ... Catalina 25s are built like tanks ... I love mine!
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  11:22:17  Show Profile
Chris, IMHO, I think you would be better off with a particular 86 boat.

Bruce
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  11:55:05  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BCain</i>
<br />Chris, IMHO, I think you would be better off with a particular 86 boat.

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Blow them both off and find a wing on a trailer. Did Mtiffe ever sell his boat?
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  16:50:23  Show Profile
See Larry Charlot's excellent article on the evolution of the C-25: http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/tech25/summertm.html
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CKidd
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Response Posted - 11/10/2003 :  23:04:20  Show Profile
Steve,

The gelcoat I observed is flaking above the water line.

Chris
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 :  10:19:53  Show Profile
<font color="blue">Steve,

The gelcoat I observed is flaking above the water line.

Chris
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It sure sounds like paint to me ... I'd bet a beer on it ...
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 :  13:36:16  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It sure sounds like paint to me ... I'd bet a beer on it ... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I Agree. Gelcoat chips and it erodes gradually and it develops cracks, but I never heard of it peeling or flaking. It sounds like the boat might have had a repair and paint was used to cover it rather than gelcoat.
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1grndslr
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 :  13:58:07  Show Profile
Speaking of gelcoat cracking, what is crazing? Is it those small cracks that I see in the gelcoat? Are the repairable? If so, how is this done.

I have several places on the deck that have this cracking and would like to make the finish look a little better.

ted childs "Childs Play" '86 C25 FK/TR #5272
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