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Sunshine Daydream
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Initially Posted - 11/11/2003 : 10:50:13

I am wanting to make the most use of the space designed for sail storage etc. in the rear lazarette. I have seen a cool door on Frank Hoppers boat (stock unit?) but that is about all. No need for AC or a larger sleeping area which are other ideas I have seen.

Specifically I was thinking of shelves, hooks etc. (to avoid dumpster diving any more than I have to).

What contents are people keeping inside there besides sails? It is such a huge space and if you do not have a large inventory of sails, there is a lot of room for improvements.

Scott & Kelly Larson
"Sunshine Daydream"
'80 C25 SR / SK

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 11:49:08

Sunshine Daydream,

Since you mentioned to the "dumpster", I'm assuming you have the earlier C-25 huge cockpit locker with only one hatch on the port side.

In my 1979 C-25, I subdivided that port cockpit locker into about half a dozen compartments to make more efficient use of storage space.

Starting from the forward lower corner, I now have:

1.) Approx. 15gal fresh water bladder below level of quarter berth, extending aft under new fuel tank (see below).

2.) A tiny "closet" accessable from the quarter berth (good for soft luggage).

3.) A large storage shelf for pots and pans, etc. accessable from the galley behind the sink.

4.) Still plenty of room for a coaming box (later).

5.) Moving aft, a 12gal built in fuel tank in its own sealed and vented compartment with a storage shelf above and water bladder below.

6.) A smaller cockpit locker directly below the original hatch (but still plenty large enough, and fully accessable without diving in).

7.) A group 24 cranking battery in a box on a smaller shelf right at the motor where the original fuel tank shelf was removed.

All this took quite a bit of work using mostly plywood and epoxy with some douglas fur. Only about three mounting points are bonded to the boat. The rest is screwed in. I'm quite pleased with the results.

I use the cockpit locker to store several fenders, a stern anchor (rigged w/chain & rode), 50' crew overboard retrieval line, a med. size bucket, sponge, small gas can (usually empty), refueling funnel, spare 100' anchor rode, engine oil, etc.

I once transported a 10HP Honda longshaft outboard in the original locker with a lot of room to spare.

-- Leon Sisson

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 11:55:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">with some douglas fur<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I suppose that keeps it nice and soft and warm down there

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 12:41:13

Hi Scott,

I also have the old-style HUGE port lazarette ... it has one access hatch at the aft end, and a shelf for the fuel tank just inside the hatch. As you know, the lazarette is so deep it's hard to retrieve things from the bottom. Also, if you store any heavy things in there, they will crush the ventilation hose in the bottom of the lazarette. Worse yet, if you've got any rain leaks, stuff in the bottom of the lazarette is likely to get wet, too.

I decided to put a shelf in there to keep things up off the bottom. I was going to build a shelf out of plywood. Here is a shelf idea that came from our Tech Tips (I think ... I can't find it there now):

I decided against the plywood ... it was going to be too heavy, too much trouble to make, and too much trouble to install. My solution was to use a shelf made out of netting instead (the same type of nylon netting that many people use for added safety around their lifelines/stanchions).

I bought some of those rubber-coated hooks for hanging/storing things in your garage. I screwed the hooks into two 1"x2" lengths of treated lumber, about 15" apart, ground the sharp ends off where they protruded out of the backside, and secured them with some liquid nails so they wouldn't move.

Then I installed the two pieces of wood in the lazarette using some angle braces. I screwed the angle braces into the galley bulkhead at the front end, and I attached the aft braces to the side of the gas tank shelf.

Once the two supports with the hooks are in place, it's an easy job to attach a piece of netting to the hooks. You can make the netting as tight as you want it, or you can loosen it to give you a deeper "floor" and more storage space ... 'works great!

I use the lazarette to store PFDs, fenders, spare lines, my boat hook, and a few other light things ... I don't want to make the boat list by putting too much weight in there. I also put a small gas container with some emergency fuel in there ... I've got it tied to a padeye on the fuel shelf so it doesn't slip all the way to the bottom of the lazarette, and it is stored below the netting.

BTW, I also added an additional access hatch at the front of the lazarette ... it's not hard to do, and it makes it MUCH easier to get to things that are stored in the front end of the lazarette.

'Hope that helps ... good luck with your project!

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RoofRoof
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 14:08:14

Wow! Sounds awesome. Any PICS?

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 14:36:42

Wow! Sounds awesome. Any PICS? - Alan, AKA RoofRoof

'Sorry I don't have any photos, but I'll try to remember to take a few the next time I go to the boat.

If you take a look at the photo of the plywood floor that I posted above, you can get a general idea of what I did. Just imagine the two long support pieces on each side with hooks protruding from them ... the net is simply attached to the hooks and strung between the two supports to form an adjustable shelf.

'Hope that makes sense ... if I get a chance, I'll post some photos later.

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Sunshine Daydream
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 15:52:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Leon Sisson

using mostly plywood and epoxy
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Thanks a lot for the information. Excellent, Excellent, Excellent

Two silly questions
I have never used epoxy to protect wood before, what kind do I get? Why is it better than several coats of urethane?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">BTW, I also added an additional access hatch at the front of the lazarette<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Above the sink? or in the cockpit?

Thanks guys.

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 16:31:27

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BTW, I also added an additional access hatch at the front of the lazarette
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Above the sink? or in the cockpit? - Scott

It is in the cockpit. I had a little bit of trouble putting it there because I've got an Edson wheel ... that gave me less access room than I would have with a tiller. The first hatch I bought was too big ... it would have hit the pedestal when opened ... 'guess I ought to sell that hatch to someone who can use it.

BTW, I don't think Leon meant he coated the plywood with epoxy to protect it ... I think he used epoxy as an adhesive to glue the parts together. I considered using epoxy to glue the two boards to the inside of the hull and inside of the cockpit wall ... after installing the brackets I decided it was strong enough not to need any epoxy. Besides, if I ever want to remove the whole thing it would be easy to do ... if I had epoxied it in place it would be virtually impossible to get out.

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Sunshine Daydream
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 17:04:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Buzz Maring

BTW, I don't think Leon meant he coated the plywood with epoxy to protect it ... I think he used epoxy as an adhesive to glue the parts together.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Oh.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 17:06:06

Sunshine Daydream,

To clarify what Buzz said:

After final shaping and sanding, I coated each piece of wood with two or three coats of epoxy to seal the grain and protect it from abrasion. Where doing so wouldn't completely prevent future dissassembly, I bonded the pieces together with thickened epoxy. At the three or so bonded attachment points to the hull, I used a fillet of epoxy mush to attach small blocks of wood to the fiberglass, which I then screwed other larger wooden pieces to. If those few bonded parts ever have to come out, it will involve liberal application of a big hammer and chisel. Those parts likely won't be reusable. Where it was practical to do so, I thru-bolted my wooden parts to the hull and deck liners.

I used WEST epoxy exclusively, with misc. additives. Remember, if bonding to fiberglass, you need to agressively grind the surface to clean it and remove any gelcoat so the epoxy will be able to get a good grip on the fiber laminate. Epoxy is amazing stuff, but it can only hold as strong as the weakest substance it's attached to.

I hope that helps.

-- Leon Sisson

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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 18:35:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Leon Sisson
 After final shaping and sanding, I coated each piece of wood with two or three coats of epoxy to seal the grain and protect it from abrasion. Where doing so wouldn't completely prevent future dissassembly, I bonded the pieces together with thickened epoxy. At the three or so bonded attachment points to the hull, I used a fillet of epoxy mush to attach small blocks of wood to the fiberglass, which I then screwed other larger wooden pieces to. If those few bonded parts ever have to come out, it will involve liberal application of a big hammer and chisel. Those parts likely won't be reusable. Where it was practical to do so, I thru-bolted my wooden parts to the hull and deck liners. -- Leon Sisson

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You know, if I ever find out you are some nut locked away in an asylum and just writing all of this stuff to us because you have access to a computer in the day room and someone on a sailboat was mean to you once; I am going to cry.

I want to make a motion to the board of officers of this association. To wit;
I move the association pay the costs to have Leon and his boat at every Nationals event for the purpose of holding classes for the attendees on boat maintenance.
Do I hear a second?

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/11/2003 : 19:32:30

I'll second.....no, I've got a better idea!

You're going out there with a video camera to shoot an instructional video...

Oscar

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In the driveway in Behtlehem, PA ready to go anytime.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 11/12/2003 : 22:34:04

Frank and Martha,
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You know, if I ever find out you are some nut locked away in an asylum and just writing all of this stuff to us because you have access to a computer in the day room and someone on a sailboat was mean to you once; I am going to cry<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Nope, they haven't caught up with me yet; I'm still on the loose.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">... Leon and his boat at every Nationals event for the purpose of holding classes ...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I have thought about how great it would be if we could get all the Catalina 25 owners and our boats together in one place to exchange ideas on upgrades and other mods for about a week. But it's all my little '92 Nissan can do to drag my C-25 a few miles from and to the nearest travel lift every year or two for routine haulout and bottom work. I guess this forum is as close as we're likely to get.

-- Leon Sisson

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cch
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Response Posted - 11/12/2003 : 23:35:45

Hi Scott,

We found a quick way to make use of this big area, perhaps it could work for you until you have time or the inclination to do more.

Inside the lazarette we screwed about 5 hooks on the wall of the locker. Next we made several bags to hold bumpers, dock lines, sails, grill, charcoal, air pumps etc. To each bag we attached a line with a name tag and threw all the equipment down the hatch. When we need something we just locate the appropiate tag and pull that bag up. If the lazarette gets wet we simply pull all the bags and hang them up to dry. This system started as a temporary fix until we had time for improvement but it works so well we just continue as is.

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Sunshine Daydream
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Response Posted - 11/13/2003 : 11:27:48

Thanks for all of the ideas. I must say again that this forum is the best.

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