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rustynbigd
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Initially Posted - 11/19/2003 : 18:01:58

I bought my c25 this summer and I have to register it. Part of the process in texas is that you have to supply a pencil etching of the HIN, supposedly located on the transom. Well, I have been all over that transom and it doesn't exist that i can see. Anyone have any ideas?

Rusty
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 18:20:46

On my 82 it is jammed up very close to the rub rail just to the left of my dealer's sticker. If you have never seen one you may not notice it at first. They look like graffitti scratches! Sorry you cannot see mine in the picture but that is how hard they are to see. (Did that make sense?)

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ddlyle
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 18:35:15

I have a plate on my transom in the center on the cockpit side.
I can't read it 'cause it is totally faded out.
I don't know if I rubbed it with a pencil (on a piece of paper) whether anything would show up.
(Mine is a 1986) The only reason I know it is Catalina's plate is because the 1996 (Catalina)Capri 16 I used to own had the manufacturer's plate in the same place.

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ddlyle
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 18:38:01

Come to think of it ... I think I have seen the hull ID number etched somewhere on the boat. hmmm I might have to go to the marina and take a look see.

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cch
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 21:21:31

I know I have seen mine. I can look in the morning and get back to you. What year is your boat. May make a difference?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 21:34:08

Mine is CTYK2790M82A

Yours is CTYK hull# M year month-(alpha code)

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 11/19/2003 : 22:13:42

The number that Frank is talking about is the number you want the etching of. It is supposed to be on the transom and etched into the gelcoat. Often not easy to see, but I bet its there.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/20/2003 : 07:43:35

Mine's right where Frank's is--it also looks like it was scratched in by hand with a nail.

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/20/2003 : 12:07:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rustynbigd
 I bought my c25 this summer and I have to register it. Part of the process in texas is that you have to supply a pencil etching of the HIN, supposedly located on the transom. Well, I have been all over that transom and it doesn't exist that i can see. Anyone have any ideas?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hi Rusty,

I also live in Texas, so I know about the process you're going through. To make matters worse for me, I found out that I didn't really have clear title to my boat (thanks to the guy I bought it from), but that's another story.

Anyway, I looked for the HIN on my boat until I thought I would go blind ... I couldn't find it. The only thing I found was the "dealer's plate" on the inside of the transom right where "Capt. Dave" describes it. Aside from the dealer information, there was a serial number on it that amounted to a bunch of zeros followed by my hull number (68).

I tried to get a pencil tracing of that number, but it didn't show up. I went to the Texas Department of Parks & Wildlife, explained that I couldn't get a tracing of the number, and they told me to try again ... I was NOT happy.

I went back to my boat and tried it again, twice, with the same illegible results. I took the tracings back to the TDP&W, and guess what ... she was OK with the paperwork now because I had tried it and SHOWED her that it didn't work ... bureaucracies are great, aren't they?!

The TDP&W accepted "00000000000068" as my HIN, and that's what is now on my title. Guess what ... after someone (I think it was Don Lucier) mentioned where to find the HIN, I found it on my boat. It is exactly where Frank's photo shows it to be, and just like Dave Bristle says, it looks like someone scratched it into the gelcoat with a nail ... it is very hard to read, but it is there.

So, I'll bet you a beer you find it. If it doesn't trace very well, just show the TDP&W the pencil-tracing mess, give them the numbers/letters, and I'll bet they'll be OK with it.

Good luck!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/20/2003 : 12:28:58

If it's just an etching of the HIN that you need, simply scratch your HIN into a bar of soap(1/2" block letters) and make an etch to take to the DMV!

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Frank Hopper
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Randall
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Response Posted - 11/24/2003 : 20:48:28

Has anybody skipped state registration altogether and gotten their C25 documented with the USCG? If so, how hard is it to do?

While I was stationed in Georgia, I bought a C25 registered in Mississippi, & eventually trailered it back to Texas. Now I have to go through extra hoop-jumps to get it registered here. TX Parks & Wildlife folks told me that registration rules were tightened because so many stolen boats were being brought in from Mississippi, where boat & trailer registration rules are lax. A HIN tracing & bill of sale don't mean nuthin'.

I have to weigh the trailer, then the boat & trailer combined to get a load rating so that I can title the trailer. The bill of sale isn't enough to register the boat, and the P.O. swears he doesn't have the boat title or laminated pocket card, even though I remember him showing me that card when he was showing me the boat. I guess he threw it away, or is keeping it as a trophy. Regardless, I have to file some kind of quit-claim thingy with the State of Mississippi to prove they have no interest in the boat before Texas will register it here. How much harder can USCG rules be?

Randall

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rwall10597
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Response Posted - 11/24/2003 : 21:37:11

Hi,

I had a tough time finding mine too. Mine is a 1981, and the number was practically underneath the rub rail. Someone else actually found it, I was convinced it wasn't there. Chances are it is on the starboard side tucked up partially under the rub rail.

If that doesn't work, I like the soap carving idea.

BW

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 11/24/2003 : 21:41:12

"How much harder can USCG rules be?"

Answer: Plenty. Otherwise everybody would do it. I remember my Uncle cussing the govt. pretty good when he was handling some US document changes on a commercial boat he rebuilt.

I believe there are minimum tonnage requirements too...

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/25/2003 : 11:03:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Randall
 Has anybody skipped state registration altogether and gotten their C25 documented with the USCG? If so, how hard is it to do?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You might have to add a couple of tons of ballast to meet the 5 ton limit. Even though a vessel is documented it still must comply with other Federal and State regulations.

From the USCG website...

"What are the advantages of documenting my boat with the Coast Guard?"

The difference between Documentation and State registration is that Documentation is a form of Federal Registration for larger boats (5 net tons or more). It has two basic advantages:
Documentation makes it easier to get bank financing. A bank will often stipulate that boat must be documented.
Documentation makes it easier to establish the identity of the vessel when cruising foreign waters (the Coast Guard Documentation serves as a "passport" for the vessel).
Recreational boats of 5 net tons or more (approximately 35 feet in length and over) are eligible (but not required) to be documented by the Coast Guard. Documenting a boat is generally more expensive than registering it with the State, but it may have advantages if the boat is used for international travel. Some States will require registration of a boat even if it is documented.

If a pleasure craft owner wishes to have a vessel documented as a yacht, it can be done if:

The vessel is 5 net tons or more.
The owner is a citizen of the United States.
The vessel is used exclusively for pleasure.
The owner can establish the necessary facts of construction and ownership.
This will document the yacht as a vessel of the United States, but it will not exempt it from any applicable State or Federal taxes. Furthermore, the fact that the yacht is documented will not excuse the owner from complying with safety and equipment regulations of the Federal or State governments in the State in which the vessel is used.

Vessels may be documented in three categories: pleasure, commercial, or commercial with a pleasure endorsement.

The Coast Guard Infoline can provide the Consumer Fact Sheet "Documenting Your Recreational Boat Pros and Cons."

For additional information, call the National Vessel Documentation Center at 1-800-799-8362.

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