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Doug G.
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Initially Posted - 11/30/2003 : 20:02:30

I have owned this C25 for four months now. I recently took down the mast and added the mast step halyard plate. That went well and I got the mast raised today. Took it down and raised it solo with the Elec conduit A frame.

My previous owner had used plastic cable ties to connect the gooseneck to the mast. One of the many Okie-rigs that I have discovered on my new toy. There were 3 or 4 cable ties snugged up between the gooseneck casting and a similar loop on the mast. This use of cable ties is a handy emergency fix, but like duct tape and baling wire it should not be the final fix. I want to fix this correctly. The Cat. Direct handbook lists several different types of gooseneck parts, but no pictures. I am not sure what I need. Is there any significant upgrade in safety, performance, or ease of connection-disconnection?

Doug G.,83SRSK C25, #3767,Pelican.
Grand Lake,OK

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OJ
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Response Posted - 11/30/2003 : 20:16:28

Your hull number should have the latest design. Not sure I understand how your gooseneck was jerry-rigged. The piece that slides into the mast track should slide up and out of the mastgate (for removal.) Maybe the slide is what's missing and was substituted with the cable ties?

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Doug G.
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Response Posted - 11/30/2003 : 20:45:07

Yes, I have the mast car portion, I assume that I am missing the connection between the car and the cast aft end boom fitting ring. The mainsail was also held by its tack ring to the same ring with cable ties. I guess that's better than bent coathanger wire.

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Steve Kostanich
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Response Posted - 11/30/2003 : 21:11:28

Check the archives, there was a question not too many weeks back on the gooseneck and someone posted an exploded view drawing of the part. Should answer all your questions. Maybe that kind person will post it again!?!?!?

Steve Kostanich C-25 1119 Equinox sr/sk

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Steve Kostanich
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Response Posted - 11/30/2003 : 21:16:30

Just remembered, at this moment there is a picture of a gooseneck on the General Forum under the thread "Tapping the gooseneck". The picture isn't to highlight the gooseneck, but it is of a complete assembly.

Steve Kostanich C-25 1119 Equinox sr/sk

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/30/2003 : 21:27:42

Don't be afraid to call Catalina Direct and ask them--I expect they'll tell you which assembly is correct for your hull number.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 12/01/2003 : 10:37:42

Hi Doug,

Here's a link to the brochures page that shows the boom and gooseneck assembly.
http://www.catalina25-250.org/manbro/pictures/pc16.gif

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 12/01/2003 : 17:56:26

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Not sure I understand how your gooseneck was jerry-rigged. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

OJ: "Jerry-rigged"? Well, older people (like myself, I suppose) talk about things being "Jerry built" which comes from a war-time reference to Germans as "Jerries". Temporary buildings were put up in England during the war, literally thrown together, because in all likelihood, Jerry would bomb them down again. After the war, it became an expression used for anything built quickly and cheaply. In sailing, a temporary rig is often referred to as a "jury rig". For example, if your mast breaks, you can jury rig a mast to get back to port. I am not sure where that expression came from at all.

As it turns out, your expression "jerry-rigged" is perfect to describe this situation!

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Doug G.
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Response Posted - 12/01/2003 : 18:49:56

Thanks for the diagram Bill,
I expect that my PO lost the clevis pin only. He then used cable ties in their place. I have the mast car and the gooseneck.

What is the source for these old parts diagrams that I see posted on the site? Can we access them online?

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Carl B.
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Response Posted - 12/01/2003 : 21:17:09

Doug, You can find the parts diagrams in the Manuals & brochures section, found in the index for our web site (a couple of pages back).

Grand Lake is where my C25 came from about 10 years ago. Maybe this spring or summer we can get together at Grand Lake. We fly in there on occasion to have dinner.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 12/02/2003 : 14:51:51

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
OJ: "Jerry-rigged"? Well, older people (like myself, I suppose) talk about things being "Jerry built" which comes from a war-time reference to Germans as "Jerries". . . literally thrown together, because in all likelihood, Jerry would bomb them down again. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

That's pretty funny Dave. I looked up what I was expecting to find "jerry-rigged," and then skipped straight to the definition referencing flimsily built - I completely missed the word "build."

Man, what a great website this is . . . TV reviews, movie reviews, book reviews, war history. All we need now is maritime cooking recipes

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You gotta love this country!

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 12/02/2003 : 15:27:01

Hey Doug,

The detail in the graphic is a little hard to see. Feel free to stop by Masthead Point Marina (1 mile East of Ketchum on Hwy. 85) anytime to check out rigging and etc. on Antares. She's in J9.

Antares boom mast car has a stainless steel pin. A stainless steel U-joint with holes through the top of the U goes around the pin and is then attached to the boom end with a clevis pin.

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Doug G.
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Response Posted - 12/02/2003 : 22:57:04

Thanks to all.
JB, I will come by the next time I am out, which might be 2 weeks or more.

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Rocknoids
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Response Posted - 12/03/2003 : 10:18:18

I found this about "jury rig" at www.quinion.com

It’s much older than World War Two. In the form jury rigged it’s from the days of sailing ships and dates from the early 1600s, if not earlier. It refers to a mast which is makeshift or a temporary contrivance, perhaps because the original was lost or damaged in a storm. Nobody knows for sure where it comes from. It has been suggested that it’s a shortening of “injury-rigged”, though that sounds to me like something invented well after the event. Another suggestion often made is that it comes from the old French ajurie, “aid, assistance”.

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 12/03/2003 : 10:53:28

Also think of "jerry cans" which I believe comes from the rectangular cans used by German troops for fuel, much admired by the British troops, particularly in the African campaign, ron srsk Orion

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