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Gary B.
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Initially Posted - 12/07/2003 : 00:39:23

Just for grins, after hauling Encore! this morning for the winter, I weighed her on the State scales.

Truck with full tanks, 2 men, fiberglass canopy: 6500#
This INCLUDES several hundred pounds of tongue weight.
It's a '78 Ford 250, 2WD, 460, extended cab.

Boat, trailer weight, EXCLUDING several hundred pounds of tongue weight: 6300#.

Boat is a 78 SK/SR with some cruising gear, 2 batteries, and a Yamaha 9.9 (tied up securely to take the weight off the bracket)
The trailer is an EZ Loader with 32 rollers.

BTW: Used the new gin-pole I just built. GREAT! (Thank you Terry Annis for the idea). From getting to the marina to driving away? 2 of us in 1 1/2 hours without rushing. Not too bad....

I would not want to pull this boat with a rig that weighed in much LESS than the load.

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

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Terry Annis
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Response Posted - 12/08/2003 : 11:29:00

Thats interesting, your boat is 200 lbs lighter than mine. Very intestesting with your PHRF also.
Glad the pole and retriving went well.

Terry A. "LEMATIKE" #789 SK/SR

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/09/2003 : 04:26:34

Terry: My PHRF number went up when I switched to the smaller asymmetrical 'chute. You should measure yours and re-apply. Remember, the lift operators at Cap Sante thought my boat was MUCH heavier than Doug Lewis's Breezy, based on how the machinery groaned and creaked. Wazzup with that?

I Do have TONS of cruising stuff off the boat right now....but still had the basics/sails, etc. just not all the camping type stuff, the Bruce anchor, /extra lines, etc.

Take care.....we'll talk soon I am sure and have a meeting in January if all this snow I am seeing doesn't cover us up!

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 12/09/2003 : 15:26:14

Gary:

My boat should be out of the water by now but it is still moored in front of my house on Hammersley. Last year I did not like the fact that from the front rollers to the bow support at the front of the trailer there was nothing supporting the boat. I have had the local weld shop take a 1" diameter rod of all thread and attach a keel roller to one end. The other end goes through a nut welded to a top plate of a short 3 x 4 tube steel post that I am bolting onto the trailer. Then when the boat is hauled onto the trailer, I can screw the all thread up (or down) for the right height to support the hull. Now that this is all done, I am thinking that maybe I should replace the keel roller with a more custom 'V' support. But the weld shop is already rich.

Now all I need is a good 3/4 ton vehicle to pull my boat and trailer because I don't have one. Maybe that is my next purchase

. Then I could join you on your next trip to the San Juans ! !

Bill.
'Suede Shoes' C-25 SR/SK No. 496

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 12/09/2003 : 16:22:08

Gary, With your boat weight connected to your truck at 6300# it is safe to figure 10% at the tongue. That puts your boat at a more realistic weight of 7000#. Does that make sense??

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/09/2003 : 16:58:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ed Montague
 Gary, With your boat weight connected to your truck at 6300# it is safe to figure 10% at the tongue. That puts your boat at a more realistic weight of 7000#. Does that make sense??
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These trailers can weigh a bunch. I assume my dual axle steel trailer is close to a ton. 4500lb boat
2000lb trailer
500 lb of stuff

After reading this board for a while I decided 7k was the #, Gary just confirmed it.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/09/2003 : 17:09:20

Last September, on the way home from picking up the new boat in Virginia, I pulled the rig onto a local truck scale. The boat plus trailer, but not including tongue weight, was 7050#. I guesstimate the tongue weight was about 600#. A few weeks later, after putting the boat in a slip for the winter at Owl Harbor, I weighed the trailer by itself on the same truck scale at 1550#. So, it looks pretty conclusive that the boat's displacement is right around 5500#. This includes the tall rig mast, boom, a 12' telescoping whiskerpole, CDI #4 Flex Furler, rigging, two sails, the stove, a porta-pottie, one size 24 battery, an 8# Danforth with 5 feet of chain and 150' of 1/2" rode, the minimum amount of fenders and docklines, an '82 Honda 7.5 outboard, water tank full, fuel tank empty, and no cruising gear to speak of, the boat being pretty much "stripped" when I got her. The original owners never added anything much other than a VHF radio. This is for an '89 wing keel. My old boat is a '79 Swing keel, but I have never had her on a truck scale so can't compare weight to the new boat precisely, but my gut feeling from having towed both boats many thousands of miles is that they weigh about the same. In fact, I suspect the old boat might be actually heavier, as it always seemed to ride low in the water. The boot stripe on that boat sits just about at the water line, whereas on the new boat, there is 2~3" between the water and the bottom of the boot stripe.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/10/2003 : 11:48:31

Yo, Bill: I know you are 100 miles away, but I could come up and move your boat for you with my Ford, if you need. It had the upper end of the 460 redone last summer and she's runnin' sweet, although a gas hog. Let me know if you can use me. My schedule is good now until mid January.

BTW: Are you giving any thought to bringing Suede Shoes down for the regatta in July? I could help with that, too. We'd sure like to see a large number of boats.....gonna be fun........I have a few sails that are better than yours (unless you have upgraded) so you could be more competitive. I know you struggled with the PHRF fleet. I have a new main, but the older one is still great, and I have 2 150s. I have offered one to a local guy, but he has not responded. I don't need two for one regatta/rendezvous.

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 12/10/2003 : 12:14:30

Gary: You would do that for me? That would be really nice. I could show you all the upgrades I have made. Swantown Marina does not haul out on the weekends in the fall and winter but they are available on Monday December 15. I could probably get the trailer to the marina, but I need the boat and trailer hauled home. The tides are right for me to bring the boat to the marina this weekend. Are you willing because that is a lot of time?

Bill C-25 No. 496
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/10/2003 : 21:34:41

Bill:

Of COURSE I would do that! What are fiends for?

Could I do it in the afternoon, perhaps? Monday I need to turn in grades for the first semester at the college, and I will be working on them over the weekend. How far from the marina to your house?

I have a new gin pole that is great for lowering the mast. Have you now a crutch of some kind, or should I bring my "Mast-up"? I can also bring my vang with the long line that I use for purchase.

The trailer have a 2" ball? We may have to jury rig lights; I just have the small 4 prong light gizmo that is about 7/8" in diameter.

Lemme know. I think I could be up around noon or so. That should be enough time, don't you think? We took 1 1/2 hours with Encore! last week and didn't rush......Is it the same marina in Oly that I couldn't find last time when I delivered Shoes?????

Maybe give me a call at 360. 687. 2048. I am up late. Past "pumpkin" time....

Gary B.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/10/2003 : 22:15:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gary B.
 Bill:

The trailer have a 2" ball? We may have to jury rig lights; I just have the small 4 prong light gizmo that is about 7/8" in diameter.

Gary B.
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My trailer has a 2 5/8 ball, I believe all DICO 10 surge couplers use the big ball. That is the coupler on my '82 TrailRite. Do not tow with a 2" if you should use a 2 5/8.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/10/2003 : 23:58:39

The coupler on my EZLoader is a factory 2". I have had no problems since 1983. I would certainly change ball sizes, though, if the coupler was different.

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR
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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 12/11/2003 : 17:30:27

Gary:
I will call you, we need to make sure that the shank on my hitch ball will fit in the hole on your trailer tongue. I built a crutch of a fashion that works to support the stern end of the mast. The marina is the same place as where you delivered Shoes. I have a four prong to plug converter for the lights. I still need to coordinate getting the trailer to the marina, but I think I will be able to. AFternoon on Monday will be fine.

Bill C-25 SR/SK No. 496
Suede Shoes

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/11/2003 : 21:06:04

Bill: I can come to your place and pick up the empty trailer if you want. I would just need directions. I HAVE a ball already on my truck, but it's a 2". If yours is different, we need to know the diameter of the bolt, so I can make sure it will fit my hitch setup.

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

Give me a whistle.....number in earlier post.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/11/2003 : 23:33:21

"What are fiends for?"

Does this qualify for Arlyn's bloopers???
Derek

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/12/2003 : 00:22:19

Derek: You meatball! That stupid "grinny" face after "fiends" was my acknowledgement that it was a malaprop! Since I cannot remember jokes, (lack of "constipation", I guess), for humor, the malaprops are the "breast" I can "due", under the "circumcisions"! I better "knot" end up on the Blooper's page!

Gay----ooops, Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/12/2003 : 10:04:00

Now I'm FOFLMDFHO....

Derek

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John Sines
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 10:45:10

The hitch ball on the trailer is 2 5/16 inches or 2 inches. It is stamped on the tongue, you may have to use sandpaper to find it.

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 12:53:55

Back in 1980 when we moved from CA to TX, I weighed Confetti (1976 fixed keel) on the trailer. The trailer had been previously weighed on the same scale at #1760. With Confetti on the trailer (not hitched to the tow vehicle), the weight was #7880. That included sails, mast, boom, all the normal "stuff" we keep aboard, and a 9.8 Johnson OB. That would result in a net for the boat of #6010, which for the first hull is probably right (early on things are laid up heavier till the factory figures out how to cut weight/materials/cost)

Chuck

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