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lcharlot
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Initially Posted - 12/13/2003 : 13:16:35

Some preliminary results of the owner survey:

1. It looks like the “L-Shaped Dinette (Type 1)” and “Fore-Aft Dinette (Type 2)” were both available as a customer option from ‘77-’80. So, it was not a sudden transition from one to the other. This is based on only a handful of boats that the dinette style is known, however (out of 507 boats in the database, 48 entries include the interior style). Among the earliest ’77 & ‘78 model year boats, Hull #95 and #401 are listed as a Fore-n-Aft dinette, then skipping ahead to 1980, the last boat listed with the “L” dinette is Osmepneo, Hull #1665.
2. “Mark No.”: The last Mk. I listed is hull #2151 (1980) and the first Mk II is 2259 (1981). I guess the Mk. II probably starts with the first 1981 model year boat, somewhere among those 108 hulls between 2151 and 2259. The transition from Mk. II to Mk. III happens somewhere between hull #5032 and #5275 and probably corresponds to the 1985/1986 model year change. The first boat known to be a Mk. III, hull #5275, also happens to be the first known C-25 with the optional inboard diesel. The transition for Mk. III to Mk. IV is somewhere between hull #5801 and #5813, but I think that Catalina Direct has determined that the first Mk. IV is #5803, and is also probably the first of the ’89 model year.
3. Outboard mounting: Port-side appears to have been the standard through hull #2243, then the factory switched to Starboard mount somewhere between #2243 and #2428. This is during the ’81 model year, and does NOT correspond exactly to the switch from the Mk. I to Mk. II deck.
4. Keel types: Of the 507 boats in the database, 211 are Fin Keel (41.6%). 224 boats were built as swingers (44.2%), of which 13 boats have had the swing-to-wing conversion. 67 boats have the OEM Wing Keel (13.2%), and 5 boats are keel type “undetermined” (1.0%). NOTE: These percentages can’t be extrapolated to the entire production run because the OEM Wing Keel was only available from 1986-90, and the Swing Keel was only available from 1977-87.
5. RIG: Of 507 boats, 360 are Standard Rig (71.0%), 138 are Tall Rig (27.2%), and 9 are “undetermined” (1.8%).
6. Other items of interest: 11 boats are listed as having no lavatory sink in the head, six of these are Mk. I’s and the other five are Mk II’s. I have one boat on the list with a solid cabin roof (no Pop-Top), and have heard of a few others over the years, but I don’t have enough data to make even a very rough guess about how many non-pop-tops were built.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25WK/TR Mk. IV #5857 "Quiet Time"
Folsom Lake, CA

"You might get there faster in a powerboat, but in a sailboat, you're already there"

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Carl B.
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 13:36:18

Very interesting, I’m surprised of the percent of Tall rigs to Std. I thought there were more of them out there compared to the Std.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 15:44:20

I guess I am the only one curious about the double lifelines on Encore!. Is my boat a freak? This '78 has 'em, but I have seen no others. Even if not part of the survey, I would appreciate hearing from anyone else with a C-25 with double lifelines......
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Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/14/2003 : 12:26:04

I have hn 5775 a 1998 wing. I believe it to be mk4 but have a few questions. The floor pan is the lower type I think. I read a few posts about the Genny track mounted inboard. My tracks are on the rail. It his where they are on mk 4 boats. Is it possible there are a few MK 3.5's floating around?

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/14/2003 : 17:09:12

Only 13 of the 507 in the data base are swing to wing conversions. Boy we are noisy group!

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/14/2003 : 18:03:00

"the factory switched to Starboard mount somewhere between #2243 and #2428."
Larry - This Side Up #2262 has the O/B on port.
Derek

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 08:21:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by atgep
 I have hn 5775 a 1998 wing. I believe it to be mk4 but have a few questions. The floor pan is the lower type I think. I read a few posts about the Genny track mounted inboard. My tracks are on the rail. It his where they are on mk 4 boats. Is it possible there are a few MK 3.5's floating around?
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This is a photo of the cabin floor on my boat, HIN 5857. If your boat has this configuration for the floor pan and bilge sump, it's a Mk. IV.
FWIW, It has been reported by Catalina Direct that the first Mk. IV was HIN 5803

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 09:04:43

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Wow what a beautiful floor. Mine looks like a par three at the local miniature golf course. The only thing a swing floor lacks is the windmill to put through!

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 11:10:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I guess I am the only one curious about the double lifelines on Encore!. Is my boat a freak? This '78 has 'em, but I have seen no others. Even if not part of the survey, I would appreciate hearing from anyone else with a C-25 with double lifelines......
Thanks!
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Coolatta, 1984 #4603 has double lifelines. They've terminated the upper and lower bow ends at the base of the pulpit stanchion so that the (hank-on) jib can sweep over easily. There's no pendle to attach the jib tack to to raise it up from the deck, though I will probably make one this year.

Rich Kokoska

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 13:59:46

thanks, Rich. Good to hear from you. I suppose there must be others. Have you noticed that your double lifelines are a rarity in your area, or is it just in the Pacific NW? You are the only one I have heard from.

Gary B.
Encore! #685 SK/SR
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Raskal
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 14:24:17

Gary B.--Wait

! I'm looking at a photograph now and I can't find the second lifeline

! I must be suffering early cabin fever... sorry for the misinfo. The part about the line being led to the bottom of the bow stanchion is right, though.

Rich Kokoska

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Daniel
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 18:07:49

I have two 25's (I'll be selling the older one in spring). For your database:

1980: #CTYK1775M80D, std rig, fin (cast iron, soft steel bolts), not pop-top, outboard to port. L-shaped dinette, no sink in lav. Old-style stem fitting and spreader sockets (since replaced). Fuel storage on shelf in locker (one hatch) - two vents over transom.

1989: #5946, std rig, wing, pop-top, outboard to stb, bench seats both sides, lav sink, plexi windows. separate fuel storage hatch. new-style rail on transom, jib tracks inboard, not at toe rail.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 22:53:38

Larry,

I noted my 1988 #5801 as being designted a Mk III by Catalina Direct. It has the lowered floor pan as well as the other Mk IV charactoristics. I would think you could move the Mk IV vinatage back to #5801 from #5803.

Al
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 12/17/2003 : 11:17:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 "the factory switched to Starboard mount somewhere between #2243 and #2428."
Larry - This Side Up #2262 has the O/B on port.
Derek
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Derek, An interesting story regarding my 1988 #5801 WK/TR. When I purchased her new the ob mount was on the port side. Being new to Catalinas I didn't know any better. I did notice a slight list to port however, but lived with it until I become involved with this site. I needed to get some hull damage repaired (hit by a power boat and lighting) a few years ago and had the mount switched to starboard. It cured the list. It's my belief that the transition to a starboard motor mount was necessitated by a change in the configuration of water tank and battery storage. My water tank is on the starboard side, batteries are midships under the starboard quarter (double?) birth. I don't know this for sure but I understand that there have been a few other boats with this phenomenon.

Al Eckhart
GALLIVANT #5801

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