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Ben
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Initially Posted - 01/03/2004 : 22:32:33

Hi All,

I have a question for those with marine heads. Do you allow crew and guests to put TP in your head after they've done their business? The reason I ask is that the PO of Adventurous posted a sign, which remains, in the head area stating that "nothing goes into the head that doesn't first go through your body." This is a point of contention between the Admiral and me. She wants to be able to put TP down there, but I'm nervous about it. While she is the ranking officer (no pun intended), if the head craps out on me (that one was intentional)it is I whose duty it will be to fix the head. A very unpleasant project, I presume.

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Ben
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/03/2004 : 22:51:09

[quote]Originally posted by Ben
 Hi All,

I have a question for those with marine heads. Do you allow crew and guests to put TP in your head after they've done their business?
Thanks!

One of many, RV stores have it cheaper. The hot link.[url="http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=81468"] poo paper[/url]

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John V.
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Response Posted - 01/03/2004 : 22:56:58

Of course the TP goes through, where else would you put it? Use the type of paper designed for holding tanks. It breaks down quickly and becomes part of the sludge in the tank. You can get the TP at any Wal-mart in the RV section. In a self contained environment like a boat you don't want to stow or handle in the regular garbage anything that contains fecal matter. Just when you wash up and think everything is ok you step over to the galley to fix lunch and put the bologna wrapping in the garbage and you've contaminated your hands and soon the whole crew will need the head.......a lot!

I had my dinner several hours ago so no problemo discussing the head.

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 01/03/2004 : 23:55:47

Frank, I had to stop and think about where I'd seen the hotlink information...
It's in the [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/faq.asp#hyperlink"]FAQ's[/url]. The link is at the top of the forum pages.

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Doug
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 02:37:37

I've been on a few boats where they asked that the TP go into a ziplock. Not my style. Always use the RV/ Boat TP and run it through...

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ppetracca
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 08:36:25

In our Port-a-Pott, of course, paper goes in.

An interesting note, though, when we chartered last summer out of Marina del Rey, we were instructed not to put any paper into the head. Don't know why, those were our orders. We used a ziploc for paper as well.

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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 09:36:35

Ben, when you think about it, matter cannot be created or destroyed, all is recycled. The TP is just recycled poop from someone or something, so in reality, it did go through someone. Of course this also means that the water we drink in recycled dinosor pee.

Bruce WindShadow, Central Florida Lakes
(where I amgoing sailing today in beautiful weather)

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 10:24:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Ben, when you think about it, matter cannot be created or destroyed, all is recycled. The TP is just recycled poop from someone or something, so in reality, it did go through someone. Of course this also means that the water we drink in recycled dinosor pee.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
That's the kind of deep thinking I would expect out of a Phd, not a sailor!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 12:06:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Bubba
 Frank, I had to stop and think about where I'd seen the hotlink information...
It's in the [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/faq.asp#hyperlink"]FAQ's[/url]. The link is at the top of the forum pages.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thanks

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 12:07:46

We have used TP made for holding tanks in our marine head for 4 years the TP has never caused a problem. I personally don't think I could convince my wife or daughter to use a zip lock bag for the TP. If I did try that, it would be the last time they would come to boat..

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 14:47:57

Once anything gets to the holding tank, it's probably ok. But the smallish tubes, valves, etc. in your marine head can sometimes make getting there from the toilet a little tough. I've read and heard lots of advice that not putting anything not eaten/drank helps minimize these problems.

That's why it makes sense that some charter operators put signs up -- they cannot be blamed if there's a clog caused by toilet paper (and could possibly keep some of your deposit to fix it).

Nevertheless, I would fear a full mutiny from my wife and two daughters if I tried to enforce this rule. However, I've found the pipes flow smoother if I ask NICELY that they use a minimum amount of paper each time (i.e. a big wad will surely be difficult to flush). And if the plunger gets stuck, often waiting 15 minutes or so for a re-try will allow things to disolve enough to get things flowing again.

Hmmm -- burrito's for lunch sounds good!

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Doug
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Response Posted - 01/04/2004 : 16:31:13

Also need to teach everyone to fully flush. You want the TP floating & breaking down in the tank, not in the plumping. I have the crew do 5-10 good pumps after the bowl is cleaned to make sure everything made it to the tank.

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Ben
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Response Posted - 01/05/2004 : 07:20:14

Thanks All. This will provide much harmony on our boat now!

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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 01/05/2004 : 14:48:43

You don't have to pay a premium for "RV" toilet paper. Just about any cheap single or double ply will work. What you don't want to flush is that high end stuff like Charmin Ultra. The problem is that those papers are so heavily treated that they don't break down. The test is to put a single sheet in a glass of water overnight. If it is dissolved in the morning it is good to use/flush. If it is intact and you can remove it from the glass, wring it out and use it; well you don't want it in your holding tank unless you like to pull the system apart to clean out a clogged hose.

Doug's point about pumping until it is in the tank, not just until the bowl is empty, is spot on too.

You want to whole scoop? Peggie Hall wrote the book!

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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 01/05/2004 : 15:40:39

I am grateful for the experience that forced me to disassemble the marine head on my C-25 and better understand how it works. The culprit was a "sanitary napkin" as I think we call them these days, that caused a major jam in the plumbing. When exposed to water during the flush process, it caused a major blockage. A "how to use a marine toilet" explanation taped to the seat lid has kept me from any further head breakdowns. The mention of what can and cannot go down the head is useful, but a bit difficult to state in polite terminology for neophyte guests. I use RV toilet paper and have had no more jams. I also use an enzyme to limit holding tank odors on extended trips away from a pump out. Here's a good site for head info. http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/menu.tpl?fno=31

Todd Frye

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 01/05/2004 : 19:09:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">A very unpleasant project, I presume.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You haven't lived untill you've done it under way.......

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The test is to put a single sheet in a glass of water overnight. If it is dissolved in the morning it is good to use/flush.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

That or use it for it's intended purpouse......if it holds together don't flush it. If you poke a hole in it it's OK........

I'm sorry...I'll go turn myself into the head master now...

Oscar

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Sunrise on the Neuse River...

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/06/2004 : 13:57:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Ben, when you think about it, matter cannot be created or destroyed, all is recycled. The TP is just recycled poop from someone or something, so in reality, it did go through someone. Of course this also means that the water we drink in recycled dinosor pee.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
That's the kind of deep thinking I would expect out of a Phd, not a sailor!

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But then again Steve, After being here at this website for a number of years, its the kind of thinking I would expect to find here!

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MattL
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Response Posted - 01/06/2004 : 14:37:11

My dad use to be a vet, mostly large animal. The lunch and dinner conversation usually was about things in his job. Or else they were eaten while we were just finished doing the job at home or on the road. I tell you there was nothing that could upset any of our stomachs, except for my big brother.
Now though, some of the people in my house hold get nausious if the a dissagreable thought is voiced even in passing. Ahh for the good old days.

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MattL
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Response Posted - 01/06/2004 : 14:38:25

One more thing I forgot to say. We never let my dad cut salami with his pocket knife. We knew what it had been used for.

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cathluk
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Response Posted - 01/06/2004 : 20:30:36

Peggy Hall (AKA the head mistress) frequents the CSBB if you have "waste disposal" questions.

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