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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 02/21/2004 : 01:25:31

what is the size of the wire in the jib halyard? What is the size of the rope? What is the length of each part?

Meat hooks galore found in mine tonight.....

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 07:17:54

osmepneo's halyards are all rope, I believe 3/8, color coded, low strech rope. I can't get to the boat right now, she is surroundded by ice and snow, including the new snow that has fallen this morning. In another month I should be able to get to the boat, and will, if you still need take an actual measurement.

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matsche
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 08:21:33

Can't find any specs on the wire size. Why not convert to external all rope? It's really easy, even I did it! I used about 80' of 5/16" New England Stay Set which was just a tad longer than I needed. My halyards tie off at the mast. If you're running them back to the cockpit, obviously you'll need a longer piece.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 08:55:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by matsche
 Can't find any specs on the wire size. Why not convert to external all rope? It's really easy, even I did it! I used about 80' of 5/16" New England Stay Set which was just a tad longer than I needed. My halyards tie off at the mast. If you're running them back to the cockpit, obviously you'll need a longer piece.
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I cannot imagine replacing our crappy cheap knotted up non splice wire to rope halyards with one like it. If you are going to stay wire buy a spliced halyard, I strongly recommend going to rope, recall I have just gone to 1/4 ultratech and it is stronger than the wire. Layline has it on sale now.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 09:42:50

From the [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/manbro/om79.html"]original version of the manual[/url], which can also be found by following the Brochures and Manuals link on the Association's home page:

RIGGING SPECIFICATION SCHEDULE C-25

STANDARD

NOTE - MAST EXTRUSION = 28' - 0" ------- BOOM EXTRUSION = 10' - 4"

Description ------ S.S. Wire Size ------ L = Length ------ No. Reqd
Main Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 27' - 8" ------ 1
Jib Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 29' - 2" ------ 1
Forestay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 29' -10" ------ 1
Single Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 32' - 3" ------ 1
Split Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 26' - 4" ------ 1
Backstay Bridle ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 5' - 8 1/2" ------ 2
Forward Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 14' - 5" ------ 2
Aft Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 14' - 7 1/4" ------ 2
Upper Shrouds ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 28' - 5 3/4" ------ 2

L = Eye to Eye for halyards
L = Eye to end of the threads for shrouds and stays

TALL RIG

NOTE - MAST EXTRUSION = 30' - 0" ------ BOOM EXTRUSION = 10' - 4"

Description ------ S.S. Wire Size ------ L = Length ------ No. Reqd
Main Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 27' - 8" ------ 1
Jib Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 29' - 2" ------ 1
Forestay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 31' -10" ------ 1
Single Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 33' - 11 1/4" ------ 1
Split Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 28' - 2" ------ 1
Backstay Bridle ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 5' - 8 1/2" ----- 2
Forward Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 15' - 5" ------ 2
Aft Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 15' - 6 1/4" ------ 2
Upper Shrouds ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 30' - 6 1/2" ------ 2
All dimensions are approximate and subject to change

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 10:42:59

Jim - I just replaced both main & jib halyards with 3/16" V-12, center spliced into an XLS tail. With the cost of the V-12 I measured accurately (

) and on my tall rig needed 70' for each - and my halyards are brought back to the cockpit.
Hope this helps.
Derek

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 12:04:06

if I convert to all rope external, do I have to change blocks at the top of the mast?

I am thinking of simply cutting off the last foot of wire, using a swaging tool to put a new eye in, to use temporarily until I can get the new all line.

Main halyard also has one or two "hooks", but the jib is shredded and I think at risk of imminent failure. I'm going to replace both.

looks like I need about 75 feet for the jib and 70 for the main (with lines led aft).

Derek, what does this mean "3/16" V-12, center spliced into an XLS tail"

I suppose that means you have a "leader" of 3/16 spliced onto 3/8 or in the middle so that the end you pull on is easier on the hands?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 13:01:22

Jim - that's pretty much it! The 3/16" V-12 is 29' of hi-tech line with minimal stretch and a breaking strength of 4600 lbs. It's center spliced (Layline did it) so that it "melds" into the 41' of 3/8" regatta braid. This "tail" holds better in the clutch than the 3/16" and is easier on the hands. Becuase I was using 3/16" for the "business end" I didn't have to change out the masthead sheaves.
BTW I save about 3' on each halyard by securing them to the whisker pole ring on the mast, when not in use, rather than to the stem fitting and a stanchion base.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 13:28:12

Not only can those meathooks take a chunk out of your hand, if they catch a sail they can take a chunk out of your wallet!

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 14:00:30

I recommend getting the 'custom made' replacement sheaves and going all-line for the halyards.
The retrofit takes a few minutes once you drop the mast. Probably a good time to inspect things up there anyway.

"Stock" pre-made 5/16" halyards (65'long) from sailnet worked just fine on mine. They come with the appropriate shackle (headsail or main) in an eye splice and a nice flemished tail. (Mine are led aft to cockpit via line clutches, cabin top winch, and I have standard rig).

IMHO Reasonably priced too...

http://www.sailnet.com/store/departments.cfm?id=352

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 14:15:53

Do you have them splice an eye and thimble in the VC-12??

Or tie bowline?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 14:22:10

Jim - I had Layline put in the eye-splices and shackles and also do the center splices - they do beautiful work. It is more expensive than a stock halyard but to a racer, it's worth it!

Derek

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/21/2004 : 16:21:25

thanks very much - raining today here in San Diego!

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mmac
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Response Posted - 02/24/2004 : 08:53:39

Jim,
I seem to recall that CD has an all rope halyard kit with new sheaves and everything. Derek's solution sounds good also (KIS).
Mike

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/24/2004 : 10:06:32

I tie biowlines to the old shackles that I cut off of the original wire halyards. I had Layline whip my ultra-tech because the core does not melt.

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