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Arlyn Stewart
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Initially Posted - 02/25/2004 : 06:09:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Chuck Shaw
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02/23 at 05:10PM
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Be flexible!!

After racing and cruising for 42 years (jeez, I need to take a Geritol break!) I have learned you need to develop a "preferred" technique (for me on Confetti (Cat 25 hull#1) its reefing while hove to if not racing or there is plenty of sea room), and a backup technique (reefing underway with the sheet slacked like several skippers have suggested). I really suggest lazy jacks, a topping lift, and a small winch for the clew reefing line (tack uses a hook/purchase). For each of the mid-sail tie points I use a line with a hook to attach to a bail on one side of the boom, then thru the grommet and down to a clam cleat on the other side of the boom. Nice and quick and no knots!!! The secret to any technique though is to practice it BEFORE you need to do it!!! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

There was mention of this boat on the forum several years ago... or in a Mainsheet article... This is clipped from SailboatOwners.com in a thread on reefing practices.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

N/E Texas and Great Lakes
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Raskal
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 18:54:19

I think the Association should offer to purchase it from the gentleman. It could be bronzed and mounted as a permanent monument on--where else?--Catalina Island...

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 21:31:50

Nah...I think we should ship it over to old Frank Butler with the following message attached: "Remember These?".

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 22:10:54

I sent Mr. Shaw an email and asked him to join us. Maybe we'll be so lucky, because he sounds like quite a fellow:

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Chuck Shaw owner profile
Name Chuck Shaw
Crew, Spouse
or S.O. Connie
Boat Confetti 1976 Catalina 25
Serial Number 1
Previous Boats Windmill, Thistle, Venture 24, Catalina 27 (#920)
Location Clear Lake City, TX USA
Owner Bio Started Sailing in 1962. Owned/Raced Windmills, Flying Dutchmen and Thistles till 1972. Bought a Venture 24 in 1972 as a weekender for family/kids. Bought and raced (Pierpont Bay YC, Ventura, CA) Catalina 27 #920 in 1974. Active in offshore racing and offshore long distance crew on other boats. Bought and raced (with PBYC) Catalina 25 #1 (Confetti) from Frank Butler/Anacapa Marine in 1976. Started making my own sails in 1977. Moved to Houston, TX in 1980, and raced with Galveston Bay Cruising Association till 1995. Bay Season Champion 1981, 82, 83, 84 and 85. Chief Galveston Bay PHRF Handicapper in 1985. Still Race in misc events, but mostly cruise and daysail on Galveston Bay and local Gulf Coast.
Cruising Waters Galveston Bay and local Gulf Coastal waters
Expertise Sail Making and Electronics<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 01:19:33

Hello to everyone!

J.B. was kind enough to send me an invitation to join in, so how could I refuse?? <smile>

Sorry to report Confetti is not for sale!!! (though the thought of one day having her bronzed and mounted on Catalina Island did make me smile!!!)

We have had a LOT of fun sailing her (racing and cruising)since we purchased her from Frank back in 1976. At the time we had a Catalina 27 (#920) they we were racing with Pierpont Bay Yacht Club in Ventura, CA. Frank did his sailing trials down at Channel Islands harbor, from the Anacapa Marine location, and I knew the guys down there from racing with/against them. I got to sail on her during some of the sailing trials while they were sorting out the rig options and things like whether they would have a skeg or not (Confetti did not originally have a skeg, but one was added (bolted on actually). I ended up having to glass it into to the hull to make things smooth after I bought her. We raced hard and won a lot. I started making my own sails (got started using Jim Grant's "Sailrite" books), and made my first spinnaker out of scraps of cloth. It was (still is) a patchwork quilt looking thing, but the shape was great! At the bar after a race one day, a buddy remarked it was not fair I could beat him with a bunch of "Confetti" for sails. The name just stuck, so I painted it on her quarters. That was almost 28 years ago.... wow! I still use that spinnaker in very light airs, but every time someone sneezes I think it will blow out!!!

I've rambled enough, so better quit!

Smooth sailing!!!

Chuck

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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 04:29:11

Welcome Chuck

You certainly are a bit of a folk hero here, so it is great to actually hear from you.

If you have any nice pictures of her I sure would like a copy to post on our website.

Thanks!

Clif

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 09:42:57

Wow... talk about being in on the ground floor of the C25. That must have been a very exciting time and place to be sailing. History in the making.

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 10:00:02

Hello to everyone!

J.B. was kind enough to send me an invitation to join in, so how could I refuse?? -Chuck

Welcome, Chuck!

Having hull #1 join us is really COOL!

I'm looking forward to hearing all about your boat and your sailing experiences ... you've got a lot to contribute, I'm sure.

I would LOVE to see your boat sometime. If I ever make it from San Antonio to the Texas coast, I'll spring for the beer and oysters on the half shell in exchange for a tour!

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 10:49:55

Hey Guys, Hearing about Hull Number one is reminding me that the Catalina 25 should be celebrating its 25th birthday pretty soon, (does anyone know when?) talk about one hell of a National Championships race series!! We should work with the Catalina people to host the 25th and have some realy good incentives for as many boats as possible to show up. J-24's just had their last year and they had a great show up. Lets hear some feed back.

Bill

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 11:21:48

That's a great idea, Bill. Unfortunately I think we missed it, because if I'm counting right the C25 will be 30 in 2006 based on Chuck's 1976 hull #1 purchase. Or was there a later production start date that should be used?

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 13:36:07

Thanks for the warm welcome! Not sure about the folk hero stuuff (is that a kind way of saying old fogey??? <grin>) J.B. let me know when you are in the area, San Antonio is not that far from Houston!

We bought Confetti in October of 1976, I can dig around in my papers to find the actual date if anyone is interested. I asked Frank many years ago if he knew the date the hull was laid up and he told me they did not keep that kind of info.... I know she was laid up earlier however since I had been told she was trailered to the Miami Boat show earlier that year, and I had been sailing aboard for several months before we bought her.

There were actually 3 boats down there. The hull marked #2 was a boat that was the prototype for the SK version and had no hull liner installed. That was actually the hull I was initially interested in since with no hull liner that meant "speed"..... <grin>. My wife liked the interior in Confetti however, so thats the way we went...

I have a few shots of Confetti on my website at http://www.ghg.net/cshaw/sailing.htm Its way out of date since the 35 year quote is off by 7 years!!! Wow, gotta spend more time updating things I guess, eh?) Probably will add more sailing pics....I built that page as an intro page a long while ago and never did follow up with any updates.....

Hull #3 was bought by a friend of mine, Lee Holljes. Unfortunately Lee passed away several years back. Lee brought #3 to Houston also, and then he got transferred back to CA and kept her in San Pedro. After he passed away his widow ended up donating the boat to the scouts I think. #3 was identical to Confetti except the color scheme was blue for boot top and cove stripe (mine was red), and #3 had a cast iron keel (mine is lead).

As an aside, one of my crew back then, Ron Golding, ended up buying the prototype for the Capri 25. It did not have an interior, so we got to build a lightweight interior and ended up with a "special" PHRF rating (aka got hammered for a rating). Frank looked at the interior when we were done and incorporated some of our thoughts into later production boats (which were already in production when we built the interior).

Take care!!

Chuck

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 15:46:06

It's good to know that No. 1 is being well cared for, and that she has had a good racing history. FYI, No. 4 is sailing at Brookville Lake in southern Indiana, and she has also weathered very well. Chuck, be sure to add No. 1 to the Owners' Directory on this website. Go to our home page to find it. Until you came along, we had no idea what happened to Nos. 1-3. Our Owners' Directory currently begins with No. 4.

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 16:24:05

Wow, this is pretty exciting stuff--Chuck, I hope you keep sending us more anecdotes for as long as you can stand to type; maybe you can tell us more about Frank Butler, too, because rarely is one man so much talked about and so little heard from.

In the meantime start bottling that bilge water from #1; the masses will want some for our Christening ceremonies henceforward...

Rich Kokoska

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/27/2004 : 20:22:29

Hi Chuck and welcome!

Not sure I can add anything that the above posts didn't cover except that I stand somewhat in awe . . . great stories. I really love the photos posted on your website . . . that's my kind of sailing!

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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 19:25:10

Welcome Chuck! Don't pay any attention to my "rank"--yours and mine should be exchanged.

We all look forward to your contributions here!

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 21:46:38

Thanks guys for the very kind words! Youre gonna embarass me though!!!

Dave, I was gonna ask someone about what this "rank" thing is???? Is it according to the number of posts you make?

I wear my "newbie" rank proudly!!! <grin>

Chuck

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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 22:14:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cshaw
 Thanks guys for the very kind words! Youre gonna embarass me though!!!

Dave, I was gonna ask someone about what this "rank" thing is???? Is it according to the number of posts you make?

I wear my "newbie" rank proudly!!! <grin>

Chuck

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The rank thing is a function of your time on task, that task being posting. You will quickly learn that the most respected posters come in all ranks. I am sure you will be very impressed with what a great number of people share here. Most of all I hope it adds fun to your day!

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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 23:43:26

Frank,

I already am quite impressed! Lots of good info being exchanged! Glad J.B. Manley e-mailed me about the forum!

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